Q1) MP's, white/white, I'm holding ♠xx ♥xxx ♦9xxx ♣xxxx, and the bidding goes
pass - 1♠ - 1NT - X
pass - pass - 2♦ - 2♠
pass - pass - 3♦ - 4♣
pass - 4♠ - X - pass
??
I passed, and the opps made 4♠X, my p said I should have bid 5♦, do you agree?
Q2) MP's red/red , I'm holding ♠KQxx ♥87654 ♦AQx ♣x, and the bidding goes
1♦ - pass - 1♥ - pass
3♦ - pass - ??
I bid 3♠ and my p bid 3NT, and I passed. I thought settling at NT was a poor decision when I put the dummy, but luckily my p had ♠J ♥AKQ ♦KJTxxx ♣KQx , it made +2. well, no slam in diamonds, so this was top. How would you bid this?
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two bidding questions
#2
Posted 2007-March-20, 11:08
Q1) I would not wish to play with anyone who bid as your partner did. Whatever he is up to is entirely his own concern, is obviously absurd, and I don't think I am invited to the party.
Q2) You finished in an excellent contract, so no complaints. However, there are a number of tough bidding decisions from both sides.
i) Your partner's rebid after 1D - 1H. He is really too good to rebid 3D which is not forcing: he has a 19-count with huge 3-card support for your suit. Most people would do something nasty such as invent a 3C rebid to show the game force.
3S on your hand was impeccable.
After 3NT from partner, I would be tempted to bid 4D as a diamond slam is certainly possible, but at matchpoints passing 3NT is certainly tempting. At IMPs I would not have passed.
A pair with sound agreements might finish in 4NT, but that requires fairly sound partnership understandings (and is actually a level too high).
Q2) You finished in an excellent contract, so no complaints. However, there are a number of tough bidding decisions from both sides.
i) Your partner's rebid after 1D - 1H. He is really too good to rebid 3D which is not forcing: he has a 19-count with huge 3-card support for your suit. Most people would do something nasty such as invent a 3C rebid to show the game force.
3S on your hand was impeccable.
After 3NT from partner, I would be tempted to bid 4D as a diamond slam is certainly possible, but at matchpoints passing 3NT is certainly tempting. At IMPs I would not have passed.
A pair with sound agreements might finish in 4NT, but that requires fairly sound partnership understandings (and is actually a level too high).
#4
Posted 2007-March-20, 19:09
Q1) Your pd is 100% for the blame. Since he tried to blame you, add another 100% to him.
Q2) 3D is not forcing as others pointed out. And 3D would block himself to show ♥ support before 3NT. A better bid from your pd is 3C and you then would bid 3D:
1♦ - 1♥
3♣ - 3♦
3♥ - 3♠/4♥
4NT - ... 5♥ (5♦).
Over your pd's 3D, 3S is fine and pass over 3NT is OK, too. The alternative of pass is to bid 4D.
Q2) 3D is not forcing as others pointed out. And 3D would block himself to show ♥ support before 3NT. A better bid from your pd is 3C and you then would bid 3D:
1♦ - 1♥
3♣ - 3♦
3♥ - 3♠/4♥
4NT - ... 5♥ (5♦).
Over your pd's 3D, 3S is fine and pass over 3NT is OK, too. The alternative of pass is to bid 4D.
This post has been edited by HeartA: 2007-March-21, 22:36
Senshu
#5
Posted 2007-March-21, 04:41
Q1: agree with your pard. He has 6 diams and his dbl just means "I have a max, do something". Since you have a REAL min, opps probably make 4♠, so bid 5♦.
Q2: you bid it wonderfully. If pard hadn't bid 3NT over 3♠, you could have bid 6♦ because then there would be no club wastage.
Q2: you bid it wonderfully. If pard hadn't bid 3NT over 3♠, you could have bid 6♦ because then there would be no club wastage.
#6
Posted 2007-March-21, 05:15
Re Q1:
There is something of a tradition that once you push them into game when you could have dropped them in a partscore you are obligated to double. (Just like if you are Turkish on BBO and they double you are obligated to redouble, regardless of your prospects.) It is a tradition that I have discarded quite a while ago.
So, it seems that partner has made a limited overcall of 1NT, and then later clarified that it was based on a source of long Diamond tricks, with a Spade guard or two. It is difficult to see how, by the time he has bid 4D, he has anything further to say about his hand. The double SOUNDS like a kneejerk traditional "I have pushed them into game so I had better double". If he does not double 4S there is perhaps a case for your bidding 5D on "Law" grounds. Don't know that I would find it. But if you trust his double I would pass.
There is something of a tradition that once you push them into game when you could have dropped them in a partscore you are obligated to double. (Just like if you are Turkish on BBO and they double you are obligated to redouble, regardless of your prospects.) It is a tradition that I have discarded quite a while ago.
So, it seems that partner has made a limited overcall of 1NT, and then later clarified that it was based on a source of long Diamond tricks, with a Spade guard or two. It is difficult to see how, by the time he has bid 4D, he has anything further to say about his hand. The double SOUNDS like a kneejerk traditional "I have pushed them into game so I had better double". If he does not double 4S there is perhaps a case for your bidding 5D on "Law" grounds. Don't know that I would find it. But if you trust his double I would pass.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
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ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. m
s
t
r-m
nd
ing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees."Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#7
Posted 2007-March-21, 05:18
#8
Posted 2007-March-21, 07:11
Q1. Pard gets 100% of the blame.
Q2. Your partner is too strong to rebid 3♦; the advanced/expert rebid with his hand is probably 3♣. I also think you should try for slam (4♦) over 3NT and that you got lucky on this deal.
Q2. Your partner is too strong to rebid 3♦; the advanced/expert rebid with his hand is probably 3♣. I also think you should try for slam (4♦) over 3NT and that you got lucky on this deal.
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