[jtfanclub]

bid_em_up, on Mar 21 2007, 10:38 AM, said:

There is a big difference between Richard doing it 12% of the time with random partners (and only once with each partner)

What Richard said was:

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Ben ran a BRBR study for me suggesting that (roughly) 12.9% of my 1NT openings have contained a singleton.

Not just those with random partner. Which means, if he never does it with regular partners, it's some ridiculously high % with random partners.

[Al_U_Card]

One of the aspects of enjoying the game is winning....just not at any cost. Fooling the opps with unexpected meanings for bids that are "generally" understood to be a certain way, is why alerts were invented. Divulge and relax. If you alert, only your pard will have a potential complaint about system or masterminding or whatever so wtp?

[bid_em_up]

jtfanclub, on Mar 21 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

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Ben ran a BRBR study for me suggesting that (roughly) 12.9% of my 1NT openings have contained a singleton.

Not just those with random partner. Which means, if he never does it with regular partners, it's some ridiculously high % with random partners.

I must have missed this part.

[jillybean]

I can't give you the number of partners involved as I dont have that information yet.

My rationale for opening this hand 1nt was I thought we had been missing obvious games, I wanted to force the auction a little higher and I wanted to declare. You may well think this is a flight of fancy and you are welcome to your opinion but it has nothing to do with the question here.

[bid_em_up]

jillybean2, on Mar 21 2007, 11:09 AM, said:

You may well think this is a flight of fancy and you are welcome to your opinion but it has nothing to do with the question here.

Katherine, "flight of fancy" is a reference to your own comment of "but I can bid what ever takes my fancy at the time" stated by you in your own post.

In context, the phrase "flights of fancy" means your excursions into making bids of this nature just because you "fancy" the bid, so is completely relevant here.

[cherdano]

bid_em_up, can we stop the personal part of this thread please?

[bid_em_up]

cherdano, on Mar 21 2007, 11:29 AM, said:

bid_em_up, can we stop the personal part of this thread please?

Huh?

[jtfanclub]

Jlall, on Mar 21 2007, 11:46 AM, said:

It wouldn't matter if 100 % of richards 1N openers contain a stiff if he plays with a new partner every time he opens 1N that doesn't know about this tendency.

Really? So I can....

-knowingly fill out an improper convention card,
-play a system different from my partner's, and possibly,
-play a system banned by the sponsoring organization

as long as my partner is sufficiently ignorant?

Don't you think at some point this stops being a 'psyche' and starts becoming blatant dishonesty? You're not allowed to fill out a card claiming that 1NT is balanced when you know that you always open 1NT with unbalanced hands, even if you haven't told partner that.

This whole concept that 'if I lie to my partner when I set up the CC, I can lie to the opponents' destroys bridge. Weren't you the one arguing against 2♥ being a weak 2 in either major? But are you now arguing it's OK for me to open all of my 2♠ openers with 2♥, as long as my partner can plausibly argue that he had no idea whatsoever that I would ever do such a horrible thing?

If I only open 1NT with a stiff, that I forgot to tell partner this is no excuse.

[cherdano]

bid_em_up, on Mar 21 2007, 11:20 AM, said:

cherdano, on Mar 21 2007, 11:29 AM, said:

bid_em_up, can we stop the personal part of this thread please?

Huh?

Well, maybe "personal" was saying too much, but maybe it escaped your attention that I wasn't the only one getting obviously annoyed about this thread. Adding to this, you brought up a lot of incriminating questions that don't anything have to do with the actual question (rationale for the bid etc.).

[jtfanclub]

Since this thread started I have played in one of her tourneys:

She did not demand system/carding at the start of each round.
She did alert her 1NT opening bid as could be singleton (it wasn't this time).

(other comments deleted)

[Al_U_Card]

Even tho the law allows you to argue the point in your own defense, the idea of fair play seems clearly to not want to "lawyer up" but rather to confess and absolve.

[jillybean]

This is not about confessing, that’s something I’m not reluctant to do. It is all about fair play.

I do not have an agreement to open 1nt/singleton with this partner. Further to that I’m saying we have not discussed a strategy to open 1nt with a singleton and that my partner will expect a balanced 15-17 hand. I asked him specifically does he think I could have a singleton when I open 1nt and he replied in the negative.
I simply don’t believe I should alert this bid.

For those of you who have regular partners and discuss strategy, systems and review hands may find it incredulous and hard to believe, we a play a basic system and discuss very little except perhaps a passing comment about the previous board.

edit: unfortunately the only in depth discussion of systems I have is on here or with my teacher - who also does not suggest I open hands like this 1nt

[pbleighton]

jb:

Take this advice for what it costs you

If you continue to open 1NT with a singleton 10% of the time
with pickup partners, you will continue to get complaints from
opponents, and probably from partners as well.

Is this worth it to you?

I think you are better off greatly reducing the frequency of
this practice with pickup partners, perhaps only doing it with
a stiff ace. If you want to do it more frequently, do it with
a regular partner and alert it.

Peter

[jtfanclub]

pbleighton, on Mar 21 2007, 05:48 PM, said:

Take this advice for what it costs you

Great advice it is.

My last words will be, when you do something unexpected like that, you're going to throw people off-balance. Holding a grudge because somebody was peeved about it...well, you may end up having a lot of grudges, regardless of who is "right".

[helene_t]

jtfanclub, on Mar 21 2007, 07:34 PM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 21 2007, 11:46 AM, said:

It wouldn't matter if 100 % of richards 1N openers contain a stiff if he plays with a new partner every time he opens 1N that doesn't know about this tendency.

Really? So I can....

-knowingly fill out an improper convention card,
-play a system different from my partner's, and possibly,
-play a system banned by the sponsoring organization

as long as my partner is sufficiently ignorant?

Yes.

The convention card says what agreements you have with pd. It doesn't say what you actually bid with what hands. What may be banned by the SO is, again, agreements. Under a BSC ban you cannot agree to open a weak two with 3+ cards in that suit, but you can bid whatever you like, the only exception being a ban on psyching of conventional calls in some jurisdictions.

If you deviate too much, you may be accused for dumping or for undisclosed agreements. But the deviation itself (except for dumping) is not an offense.

[geofspa]

jillybean2, on Mar 19 2007, 11:17 PM, said:

I find I'm looking for opportunities to open 1nt more and more 

Maybe you should look at variable NT opening 10-12 non vul

[pbleighton]

"Maybe you should look at variable NT opening 10-12 non vul"

10-13 all vuls

Peter

[redbird97]

As a frequent on line partner of jillybean, I know she loves to open 1nt with a stiff. The only thing she might like more is rebidding 1 or 2NT with a stiff. I never allow for her to have done it.

On a serious note, the problem becomes when one partner does it and the other partner NEVER does it. She should probably be alerting her NT openers, but since I always have a doubleton, my shouldn't have to be. The problem I mentioned was that it was my understanding that both partners are supposed to play the same system.