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Assign the blame

Poll: Whose fault (29 member(s) have cast votes)

Whose fault

  1. North 100% - South 0% (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  2. North 75% - South 25% (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. North 50% - South 50% (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  4. North 25% - South 75% (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  5. North 0% - South 100% (21 votes [72.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.41%

  6. Just pity, noones fault (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

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#21 User is offline   Walddk 

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Posted 2007-March-08, 02:32

North's double is for take-out, so South should have taken it out. Perhaps he thought that opener had a stack of spades when he looked at his own void. No excuse though.

North might have tried 3NT or 4 instead, but he can't be blamed for doubling. So South gets all of it for committing one of the biggest sins in the game: passing a take-out double.

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Posted 2007-March-08, 03:33

It seems that the nature of the problem suggests that North/South had an agreement that the double was not take-out but penalties. So South's not as bad as having passed a take-out double. Perhaps I will refine my original blame ratio...
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Posted 2007-March-08, 03:42

helene_t, on Mar 7 2007, 04:29 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Mar 7 2007, 06:12 PM, said:

double is take/out, passing a take out double with void can only be good at the 1 level (or 2/)

At the one-level? Would you like to defend 1 doubled with the NS cards?

not on this deal helene, sometimes it is better -680 than -1400, althou with void it is quite hard, but with balanced yarboroughs look at the vul!
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Posted 2007-March-08, 03:48

Miron, on Mar 7 2007, 11:25 PM, said:

Just one further question:
What if you know that this double is penalty. Do you pass or bid 4?

Then I will give them both 100% for having that agreement. It's all a matter of frequency. The opponents have at least nine spades between them, so what is more likely: North has a penalty or a take-out of 3? It's rhetorical, no need to reply.

If this is indeed your agreement, Miron, then tell us what North would do with a much more frequent hand like ...


AKJxx
AJxx
Axxx

Yes, it would be nice to penalise them when you have ...

AKQ10
AKxxx
Kx
xx

but you never have that hand on this auction.

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Posted 2007-March-08, 05:39

We have no agreement for this bidding.
The closest meaning is probably penalty oriented double (but not strictly penalty).
IMHO, I think that there is no difference for South bidding against t/o or penalty double (Actually North - with high probability - cannot have hand that defeats 3 when South has fit and both five cards in minor).
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Posted 2007-March-10, 23:02

:) I don't care for North's bidding. He has, IMO, a 2 opener. His T.O. double is not a good constructive call. What is he supposed to bid over partner's 4 response? A 3NT bid would have been MUCH better.

That said, the blame is South's. He has an easy 4 call.
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Posted 2007-April-14, 08:49

South 100% because this pass is ..... so stupped
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