[firmit]

Scoring: XIMP

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West opens 1NT* weak NT, 12-14. Me and my partner have agreed cappelleti. So when she doubles, my choices was limited - at least that's what I thought. I jumped to game.

(1NT)-X-(p)-4♥

However, partner was not finished!
(..)
(p)-5♦!-(p)-?

No agreements, so clearly this is natural. New suit at 5th-level is not your everyday hand!

1. Is 4♥ correct? What should I have done otherwise?
2. After partners 5♦ - what are my options?

[whereagles]

1. 4♥ is correct, yes. At least I think so.

2. You have two options. If pard is serious, pass and hope your ♣K is good enough help. If pard hasn't got much of a clue about bidding, I'd play "safe" and bid 5♥.

[goobers]

Ow. Cappelletti double is penalty right? I like 4♥.

Maybe your p doubled on AKQJxxxx and a little something outside, saw that 1NT doesn't really have a shot so just doubled it...

[jtfanclub]

Are you playing the X of 1NT as Capp. for every strength of 1NT opener? If not, what do you play it as vs. a strong NT opening?

I would assume bidding confusion, and I would bid 5♥. In fact, I have an easy time with this hand...no matter what 5♦ means, I would bid 5♥.

[temp3600]

I pass. Partner seems to have 7 or 8 solid or nearly-solid diamonds, very short hearts, and something on the side. I don't think we can make anything at the 5 level, but we have a better chance of playing undoubled in diamonds than in hearts.

[Fluffy]

disciplined pass and hope for the best, his suit quality is better than ours for sure.

[firmit]

North's hand. Was dbl correct choice after 12-14 NT? Should she pass my 4♥?

S D753
H -
D EKDT985
C E3

[Al_U_Card]

That sucks, bigtime. Another winner for the weak NT crowd. It depends on your agreements for continuations after a capp bid. Pard should just pass 4H, because you could have bid 2NT forcing or any 3 level bid to invite so .....

[glen]

I'm assuming:

S Q753
H -
D AKQT985
C A3

[pclayton]

I play our NT systems ON after we double their weak NT.

With the sample hand I would bid 2♦.......planning on a raise to 4♥ to show a slam try.

It would really bite if pard passed .

Perhaps I should just Texas the hand

[HeartA]

pclayton, on Mar 3 2007, 01:26 PM, said:

I play our NT systems ON after we double their weak NT.

With the sample hand I would bid 2♦.......planning on a raise to 4♥ to show a slam try.

It would really bite if pard passed .

Perhaps I should just Texas the hand

I would bid 2D, too. After x, some level of hearts from pd would not be a surprise.

[P_Marlowe]

firmit, on Mar 3 2007, 08:01 AM, said:

North's hand. Was dbl correct choice after 12-14 NT? Should she pass my 4♥?

S D753
H -
D EKDT985
C E3

Your partner was on lead, i.e. he has a penalty double,
but your partner should pass 4H, he has no idea,
what 4H was bid on, but is your partner sure, that 5D
plays better than 4H?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Double !]

hadn't really thought about the response structure to capp X's, but Phil's idea about "systems on" seems like a very good idea to me. wish I had thought about it first--lolololol. Given that, and the fact that it is unlikely that our side has slam, I am not sure what the advantage to bidding Texas (4D) as opposed to jacuzzi (2D) would be assuming that partner can/will not pass 2 diamonds with such a hand.

dhl

[Codo]

I dislike the original double. Surely you can beat 1 NT several tricks. But no healthy opponent will play 1 NT doubled. They surely have an escape suit. So I would have bid any forcing bid with Diamonds like 2 NT or 3 ♦.
But after the double had hid the table, I would have bid 4 ♥ in your place.
After this bid, pd woke up at last and rescued some imps by bidding 5 Diamond but it was too late.

[helene_t]

The double is ok, what else can partner do? Of course he expects someone to bid hearts but when he then bid 3♦ he has given you an idea of what you have.

Your 4♥ bid is fine. It shows something like a 4♥ opening, if anything suggesting even more O/D ratio. Partner would surely have passed a 4♥ opening so he must pass your 4♥ bid here as well.

Now you must be a good example for your p and trust him. 5♦ invites you to bid 6♦ or otherwise pass. With a diamond void an no ace you have an easy pass.

Playing system on after we double their 1NT is a strange idea. You really need to be able to stop in 2♣. And you hardly need constructive conventions as most hands with more than 4 HCPs will leave the double in.

[gwnn]

helene_t, on Mar 5 2007, 02:48 PM, said:

Playing system on after we double their 1NT is a strange idea. You really need to be able to stop in 2♣. And you hardly need constructive conventions as most hands with more than 4 HCPs will leave the double in.

I second this.

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So I would have bid any forcing bid with Diamonds like 2 NT or 3 ♦.

2NT should be 55+ in minors in Capp. 3♦ should be preemptive with diamonds.

Of course, there remain the questions: "should 2NT be a strong 1 suiter over weak NT?" and "should a jump in a suit after weak NT show a strong 1 suiter?" (BTW for me the answer is no) but that wasn't the point. The thread opener pointed up they played Capp and the two bids are taken.

[glen]

helene_t, on Mar 5 2007, 07:48 AM, said:

Playing system on after we double their 1NT is a strange idea. You really need to be able to stop in 2♣. And you hardly need constructive conventions as most hands with more than 4 HCPs will leave the double in.

I disagree with part of this.

I think with some shapely hands you need to bid, and you can afford to give up 2♣ so the partnership can find the right spot.

However the "systems on" should not be your notrump opening systems, but your against-notrump systems.

So, for example, playing Capp, after 1NT-X-P-?:

2♣: Single suited hand, please bid 2♦ unless something special
2♦: Both majors
2M: Major + a minor
2NT: Both minors

All these would be limited by not having a hand so strong as to make pass right even if the hand is shapely.

[brianshark]

in order to play systems on, you really need to be assured that partner has a 15-17/18 point hand and fairly balanced, or else the overcaller just isn't limited enough to make transfers and stayman and the like work.

If that's the case, then probably a jump to 3♦ shows his hand? The idea being that there's usually little point penalty doubling with wild unbalanced hands as the opps usually have a cheap 2-level retreat spot and you still haven't shown the nature of your hand.