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"Short" Two-Suiter

Poll: Your call? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Dbl (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  2. 3[DI] (7 votes [26.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.92%

  3. 3[HE] (5 votes [19.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 19.23%

  4. 4[DI] (1 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  5. 4[HE] (8 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  6. 4NT (4 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

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#1 User is offline   jchiu 

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Posted 2007-February-23, 02:22

Scoring: BAM

2♥ Pass Pass ??

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Posted 2007-February-23, 02:40

4♥, followed by 4NT over 4♠ to imply better diamonds than clubs.

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Posted 2007-February-23, 03:37

I play this as 3♥, but its not standard so I'll try 4NT directly, 4♦+5♣ also looks interesting
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Posted 2007-February-23, 08:38

cardsharp, on Feb 23 2007, 04:40 AM, said:

4♥, followed by 4NT over 4♠ to imply better diamonds than clubs.

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You don't think partner will take this as RKC for spades? I think it is dangerous to bid this way undiscussed.

If I have no agreements here, I'll just bid 4♦.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 09:29

Apollo81, on Feb 23 2007, 03:38 PM, said:

cardsharp, on Feb 23 2007, 04:40 AM, said:

4♥, followed by 4NT over 4♠ to imply better diamonds than clubs.

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You don't think partner will take this as RKC for spades? I think it is dangerous to bid this way undiscussed.

If I have no agreements here, I'll just bid 4♦.

To be honest it never occurred to me that 4♥ could be anything other than the minors :)

Perhaps I should reconsider?

I do normally play 4♥ is a slam-interest hand in the minors whereas 4NT is still the minors but weaker.

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Posted 2007-February-23, 09:54

If I'm playing 4♥ + pull spades to 4NT = slammish minors, I'll bid that. Otherwise I'll just bid 4NT for the minors and pass pard's preference.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 10:56

cardsharp, on Feb 23 2007, 03:40 AM, said:

4♥, followed by 4NT over 4♠ to imply better diamonds than clubs.

Under the given choices, 4♥ is slammish minors, as suggested.

You had other options for spades + minor (3H or leaping michaels). Hands that bid 4H should be at least 6-5 in the minors. If partner, knowing this, bids 4♠, I pass it in a heartbeat.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 11:07

Even if I bid 4♥, will pard know that ♦xxx / ♣Jxx and the ♠A is enough for a slam?

I can see 5N, on the "one useful card" theorem or 4♥ I suppose.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 12:41

Try DAPO(super MAF Chiel Vorheist's verses preempts). Here jump 3S= D+C+ 5+Controls. Partner now well placed.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 13:18

dake50, on Feb 23 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

Try DAPO(super MAF Chiel Vorheist's verses preempts). Here jump 3S= D+C+ 5+Controls. Partner now well placed.

Well placed? You mean pard, the weak hand, should be making decisions after the gadget? That's a wrong strategy.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 13:31

Depends on methods. If we play that 4minor is a two-suiter with ♠s, then 4♥ is logically minors: and I would not worry about hearing 4♠: partner is not going to suggest ♠s as trump when he passed 2♥. If he does, we're in trouble, because he has long ♥s as well: note the silence of 3rd hand white v red when we have a ♥ void.

If we don't play 4♥ as both minors, then I choose 4N, even tho that risks a 5-2♣ fit as opposed to a 6-2 (or 6-1) ♦ fit. This hand has too much slam potential to suggest a partscore in ♦s, but not enough to force to slam via 5♥ or 5N... btw, is there a difference between 4N and 4♥? 5N and 5♥? Is there a good case to be made that if 4♥ is minors, 4N is (gasp) natural? Why not?

Frankly, it would not surprise me to learn that a quiet 3♦ worked best :) Partner holds Jxxxx Qxxxx x xx... But bridge is not a game in which pessimism is often rewarded.

And my dreams he holds Axx xxxxx x AJxx.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 13:36

3D

If I can just get past this round.

Could not resist :)
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