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Posted 2007-February-20, 15:09
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Posted 2007-February-20, 15:24
3N. It could work poorly, and we could belong in hearts or even diamonds, but I don't play diamonds in MP 
lol. Stiff ace is always hard to evaluate. This also puts some pressure on LHO, he may try 4S.
lol. Stiff ace is always hard to evaluate. This also puts some pressure on LHO, he may try 4S.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 16:17
We are vul, and they rate to have at least an 8 card spade fit (assumption partner is less likely to have 5♠). We are going to game, I am not going to show this ratty ♦ as a real suit, and even if we have a 4-3 ♥ fit, there is no quarantee that plays better than 3NT. The field rates to be in 3NT and so shall we. We just plan on playing it better. Besides, if spade was natural lead before I bid 3NT, it still is... and there mgiht not be an overcall at the other tables. So partner has as much if not more info that other declarer's.
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Posted 2007-February-20, 17:25
Do I play Lebensohl here? If so, can I show a hand with no spade stopper (I'm not too happy on running 9 off the top on a spade lead if partner has nowt in the suit).
Otherwise I'll try either double or 3NT, perhaps 3NT without much conviction.
Otherwise I'll try either double or 3NT, perhaps 3NT without much conviction.
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Posted 2007-February-21, 09:40
I'll just bid 3♦. Pard shouldn't let me play in diamonds at MP 
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-February-21, 09:43
3NT.
If Hamman's Rule is good enough for Hamman, it's certainly good enough
for a player like me. It saves energy, and is right at least as often as it
is wrong.
Peter
If Hamman's Rule is good enough for Hamman, it's certainly good enough
for a player like me. It saves energy, and is right at least as often as it
is wrong.
Peter
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Posted 2007-February-21, 13:22
I like 3♦. Strangely it may be more likely to be right to play in diamonds on this hand than one with a better diamond suit. If my AQJ were in diamonds, the hands could be something like:
A
xxx
AQJTx
xxxx
xxx
AKxx
Kxx
AJx
Partner would never figure out to bid 3NT without a spade stopper, but 3NT is cold and 5♦ will usually fail. On the actual hands your chances at 3NT are poor if partner can't contribute a second spade stopper:
A
AQJ
Txxxx
xxxx
xxx
Kxxx
KQx
AKx
5♦ is not great but certainly has play whereas 3NT will almost certainly fail.
A
xxx
AQJTx
xxxx
xxx
AKxx
Kxx
AJx
Partner would never figure out to bid 3NT without a spade stopper, but 3NT is cold and 5♦ will usually fail. On the actual hands your chances at 3NT are poor if partner can't contribute a second spade stopper:
A
AQJ
Txxxx
xxxx
xxx
Kxxx
KQx
AKx
5♦ is not great but certainly has play whereas 3NT will almost certainly fail.
Adam W. Meyerson
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Posted 2007-February-21, 15:15
I think Adam made the key point, it doesn't matter if we have the honnors in ♠s or ♦s, what is actually bad is the ♥ honnors when playing NT.
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Posted 2007-February-23, 04:20
Scoring: IMP
Field competes less against 3NT than against suit games, here 3NT was the only contract that gave more than 50% of the MP. (even 6 spades is better than 5NT played by opps....)
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Posted 2007-February-23, 19:16
Hmm?
6♠-X -3 (-800)
5NT= (-660)
Oh wait, I see the vul is N/S at the top of the thread, so I guess that's what it really was.
Still, it's quite remarkable how averse people are in general to sacrificing over NT.
6♠-X -3 (-800)
5NT= (-660)
Oh wait, I see the vul is N/S at the top of the thread, so I guess that's what it really was.
Still, it's quite remarkable how averse people are in general to sacrificing over NT.
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