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the magical 6NT just what is this?

#1 User is offline   jim420 

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Posted 2007-February-16, 09:44

I was West. The following was what NS held in one hand.

Scoring: IMP

Bidding
W N E S
- - P 1♠
P 2♣ P 6NT
P P P

Opening lead: ♦3
Result: 6NT+1
+12.2 IMP to NS


After south's response of 6NT, I made a query. His response was "21 P".

His profile provided no bidding information.

Any reason for this bid?

What do u think is the ideal bidding sequence here?

Additional note: All pairs who missed the slam lose IMPs. There are, however, only 2 tables that bid slam on this hand. The other was 6♠+1, 11.6 IMPs and they at least bid less surprisingly than this one...
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Posted 2007-February-16, 09:50

A more normal auction, using 2/1:

1♠-1NT
3♣-4NT
5♣-5♦
6♣-pass

4NT: RKC
5♣: 0 or 3
5♦: ask for ♣Q
6♣: "no"
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Posted 2007-February-16, 10:00

1S-1N
3C-4C
4N-5H
6C
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Posted 2007-February-16, 10:02

"Any reason for this bid?"

He felt like he could make it?

I think it's a reasonable, though aggressive bid with a pickup partner playing some type of Standard American, where 2C shows 10+ hcp and 4+ (usually 5+) clubs.

I would have opened 1NT on this hand, and it would have gone 2NT-3C-3D-3NT. The 2C response to 1S provides valuable information to the strong hand, so my choice wouldn't have worked out well.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the tone of your post implies a suspicion of cheating. If so, I don't think the suspicion is justified by the bidding.

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Posted 2007-February-16, 10:31

Lets see south has 3/4 aces and the K in the suit where the ace is missing, so opss won't have 2 top trick if he plays NT. He has 21 HCP and a semi balanced hand.
His partner just showed 10+ HCP 2-♠ and has the ♣ suit. If not playing 2/1 2♣ shows 4+ or 5+♣. So there is a club fit and combined 31+ HCP. So you expect the normal contract to be 6♣, now if you want to score better than average, you need to bid NT. You don't need to to bid Blackwood because you already know that opps don't have 2 quick top tricks. If your partner is strong enough he will find 7NT.

Sometimes 6NT won't make, but many if not most hands that make 6♣ will make 6[NT] too. 6[NT] is an excellent bid. Unfortunately north is not bidding 7NT although holding 3 important key cards.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 11:27

The problem in a pick-up partnership is that opener cannot be sure that a rebid of 3C is understood as forcing (which is a good treatment not playing 2/1 GF imho).

I like the style of bidding 6NT directly. It's most probably right, doesn't give too much information to the opponents, and avoids all possible disasters.

So, the best sequence is: 1♠ - 2♣ - 6NT :P

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Posted 2007-February-16, 11:33

Comment 1: I don't think it makes much sense to talk about an ideal bidding sequence. The jump to 6NT certainly looks weird. Then again, if I knew that my partner would advance 2♣ on a hand like that I might very well jump to 6N as well. (Lord knows that we don't have any chance at a reasonable auction)

Comment 2: Playing a normal system, Justin's auction looks convincing
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Posted 2007-February-16, 12:33

jim420, on Feb 16 2007, 10:44 AM, said:

I was West. The following was what NS held in one hand.

Scoring: IMP

Bidding
W N E S
- - P 1♠
P 2♣ P 6NT
P P P

Opening lead: ♦3
Result: 6NT+1
+12.2 IMP to NS


After south's response of 6NT, I made a query. His response was "21 P".

His profile provided no bidding information.

Any reason for this bid?

What do u think is the ideal bidding sequence here?

Additional note: All pairs who missed the slam lose IMPs. There are, however, only 2 tables that bid slam on this hand. The other was 6♠+1, 11.6 IMPs and they at least bid less surprisingly than this one...

Let's suppose 2♣ shows 11+ hcp, 4++ clubs, and responder was a little frisky. wouldn't 6NT with an unfamialiar partner be the right move? I'm not going to play games tyring to get to 7.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 13:47

Maybe his wife was screaming at him to get off the computer and he needed to quickly finish the hand?
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Posted 2007-February-16, 13:49

angry wife > all
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Posted 2007-February-17, 04:25

whereagles, on Feb 17 2007, 03:49 AM, said:

angry wife > all

lol

speaking of cheating, i'm really half-suspicious of that at the time of playing. Glad that there's some reason for this bid...thx all for ur advice

In fact, my p left the table in fury after 2 tricks. 4 people entered the E seat and they all played for < 1 min and left. North kept calling South to claim but he didn't so this drggged on and on for at least 10min.. (thus ruling out the angry wife phenomenon :) )
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Posted 2007-February-19, 07:38

jim420, on Feb 17 2007, 05:25 AM, said:

In fact, my p left the table in fury after 2 tricks. 4 people entered the E seat and they all played for < 1 min and left. North kept calling South to claim but he didn't so this drggged on and on for at least 10min.. (thus ruling out the angry wife phenomenon B) )

You are forgetting the 'Ok, make this your last hand then do the dishes' part of angry wife.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 07:51

A hand similar to this happened to me just last night. The bidding went 1♠-2♦-6NT.

The full deal and bidding was:

Scoring: IMPs

South Dealer:
1♠-P-2♦-P
6NT-Dbl-P-P
Rdbl-P-P-P


I was West. My double was mainly based on my ♠ holding... and the principle behind not making stupid bids. My lead was the normal 4th highest ♥. The opponents made a comment during the deal whether we played messanger (which I thought was a little uncalled for) as the contract drifted off 5.
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Posted 2007-February-19, 08:56

"The opponents made a comment during the deal whether we played messanger (which I thought was a little uncalled for) as the contract drifted off 5."

I think "totally unacceptable" is a better description than "a little uncalled for".

Here 6NT is a terrible bid, and redouble is just plain weird.

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