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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2007-February-16, 03:35

Scoring: MP

1♠ - 1NT (forcing)
3♠ - ?


You're playing a pretty basic 2/1 system.

What now?
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Posted 2007-February-16, 03:37

Because anything I bid here will be interpreted as cue-bids (if not, what do u do if u want to cuebid?), I'm stuck with 3NT. C'est la vie. I hope we open 2♣ on very good hands, not only very very very good hands.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 03:48

Naturally unhappy but would chose 4♠ over 3NT. I'm not that interested in higher matters with an aceless misfit (in the sense we cannot find a fit if it exists).

An example of why Gazilli and similar mechanisms are useful as you will have shown some values in the auction 1♠-1NT-2♣-2♦-3♠... even though, to be honest, you are only slightly better placed :(
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Posted 2007-February-16, 05:35

3N. 4♥, 4♠ or 5♦ might be the right spot, but if we are gambling, lets gamble on the highest scoring strain.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 06:14

I'll take 4♠, safest bid
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Posted 2007-February-16, 06:46

3NT. Far from minimum hand, not interested in playing in spades.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 08:16

3NT.

I'd rather take the club risk than try to take one more trick.

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Posted 2007-February-16, 08:44

I'd go with NT
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Posted 2007-February-16, 08:51

3NT for me as well.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 12:21

Scoring: MP

1♠ - 1NT (F)
3♠ - 4♠


I decided to raise spades with no great conviction. I felt that we had the values for game and that spades was usually going to be a playable strain whereas NT might or might not be.

We were pretty lucky in the play:

T1 ♠2 - 9 - K - 3
T2 ♥6! - 4 - 8 - Q
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Making 11

I felt a bit for West as that could easily have been the right play at IMPs. I believe it takes a diamond lead to defeat 4♠. 3NT has all kinds of handling problems and the defense will usually prevail with 3♥ and 2♠. Again, only one hand presented with which to judge.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 22:23

I would have bid 3NT. Incidentally I think the 3S bid sucks. For all you know you could have a C slam, a C game, or some other game contract, or no game available at all. 3S is very poor.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 22:41

The_Hog, on Feb 16 2007, 11:23 PM, said:

I would have bid 3NT. Incidentally I think the 3S bid sucks. For all you know you could have a C slam, a C game, or some other game contract, or no game available at all. 3S is very poor.

I agree 100%.

My specific solution with this type of hand, assuming 2/1 GF, is for 2♦ to guarantee 4+ and 2♣ to be potentially artificial and hence semi-forcing. If the auction does not survive 2♣ under these parameters, 2♣ is right. If it survives one round, NOW I can bid 3♠ for 6-4, unless partner does something weird to suggest something else. If partner raises spades or uses BART, I'll act accordingly.

Not doing all this stuff, I'd still bid 2♣.
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Posted 2007-February-16, 22:45

Echognome, on Feb 16 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♠ - 1NT (F)
3♠ - 4♠


I decided to raise spades with no great conviction. I felt that we had the values for game and that spades was usually going to be a playable strain whereas NT might or might not be.

We were pretty lucky in the play:

T1 ♠2 - 9 - K - 3
T2 ♥6! - 4 - 8 - Q
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Making 11

I felt a bit for West as that could easily have been the right play at IMPs. I believe it takes a diamond lead to defeat 4♠. 3NT has all kinds of handling problems and the defense will usually prevail with 3♥ and 2♠. Again, only one hand presented with which to judge.

Was 2club rebid banned?
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Posted 2007-February-17, 00:46

echo the sentiment that the 3S bid was horrible.
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Posted 2007-February-17, 10:26

Jlall, on Feb 17 2007, 01:46 AM, said:

echo the sentiment that the 3S bid was horrible.

Agree that 2C should be automatic - question now is how to continue - would you bid 2H over 2C or 2N?
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Posted 2007-February-19, 15:04

2NT, after wich 3♠ should be forcing but I ain't sure.
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