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#1 User is offline   xx1943 

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Posted 2007-February-12, 02:47

Scoring: IMP

East  South West North
 1♥   pass    1NT    X
 2♦   pass    pass  2♠
pass pass    3♦    pass
pass  ??


Do you bid 3♠ or do you pass?

This was the full hand (rotated):
Scoring: IMP



We missed a cold game vulnerable. Your comments?
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Posted 2007-February-12, 03:18

My first thought was to bid 3♠, just follwoing the LOTT. Maybe it will encourage p to double 4♦, but then I can always bid 4♠.

But I don't think South would raise 3♠ anyway. Nobody to blame. Besides, you're above PAR, since opps can make 5♦.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 03:36

I would raise to 3♠ right away after 2♠. Passing twice is well... passive.

I come to this conclusion using the box method. Having passed 2♦ you do not have a good hand. Yet you have 4-card support and a singleton, partner has shown 18+ with good ♠. You owe him a bid!
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Posted 2007-February-12, 03:47

If I trusted partner, I would have raised 2S to 3S immediately (not over 3D), and it's closer to a 4S bid than a pass.

Double- then-bid traditionally shows a very strong hand. Somewhat surprisingly, partner actually had a very strong hand and bid impeccably.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 05:07

Agree with frances, including the comment about pard's nice bidding :)
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Posted 2007-February-12, 05:13

I think I'd have bid 3♠ over 2♠. Not easy to find game though.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 05:14

Partner showed a strong hand with ♠ and I have 4card support and shortage in opps suit.
I would bid 3♠, and i would have bid it over 2♠.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 20:11

I would have raised to 3S over 2S: 4-support with single= likely 2 tricks added to his near 8 auction.
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Posted 2007-February-13, 05:13

I do not know exactly - I sympathize with Albrecht's passes (without such a good side suit fits with so much ruffing values no chance for 4♠), but if I think that opponents can be in cold 3NT or minor game, may be I'd choose 4♠ reply over 3♦
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Posted 2007-February-13, 11:39

I would have bid 4S directly over 2S.
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Posted 2007-February-13, 22:38

I found this to be an excellent thread and wanted to say thank you for posting it.
Needless to say I thought this was a tougher one than the other posters. thanks.
I find it a bit exasperating that so many found it pretty easy, sigh. :)
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Posted 2007-February-13, 23:01

I would have passed. Partner's double to me denied the length in spades.

I don't see partner having that holding with that bid.
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Posted 2007-February-14, 00:39

BebopKid, on Feb 13 2007, 11:01 PM, said:

I would have passed. Partner's double to me denied the length in spades.

I don't see partner having that holding with that bid.

Double of 1N is a takeout double of spades. That is either takeout shape, or a very strong hand. Bidding 2♠ later shows the very strong hand (not, this is not balancing, this was a planned auction).

Not raising with 4-card support and a singleton is criminal.
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Posted 2007-February-14, 04:36

I would have bid 3♠ over 2♠ immediately, we may not have got to game, depends how aggressive partner is feeling.

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Posted 2007-February-14, 05:24

i will bid 4 s
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