1♣ - 1♠
2♣ - 2♥
Is responder's 2H rebid forcing?
One of the tenets is that new suits by an unpassed responder are forcing. There is an exception, where opener rebids 1N and responder bids 2 of a lower ranking suit (and assuming you're not playing new minor force. If you are, well, 1x - 1S - 1N - 2H still serves as an example showing a minimal response)
What about this sequence? Is 2H showing a decent hand, or a minimum with 5-4 majors? My instinct is that this should be forcing, as responder could easily pass 2♣ with a bad hand despite having 5-4 majors, but I want to hear some opinions from some better players than myself.
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need explanation for a very basic sequence
#2
Posted 2007-February-08, 22:43
Forcing. Obviously it helps to be playing reverse flannery. But one of the basic tenets I apply is that we won't keep the auction alive to improve the partial. Thus, if responder is weak with 5-4 majors (and even 5-5), he will pass 2♣]. Having to jump to 3♥ to force is very space consuming and also makes constructive bidding much more difficult.
That being said, some people play an artificial 2♦ in this sequence to force and then 2♥ might be non-forcing. Then you have to ask if 1♦ - 1♠ - 2♦ - 2♥ is forcing or not and artificial or not. Best bet is to simply play it as natural forcing without further agreement.
That being said, some people play an artificial 2♦ in this sequence to force and then 2♥ might be non-forcing. Then you have to ask if 1♦ - 1♠ - 2♦ - 2♥ is forcing or not and artificial or not. Best bet is to simply play it as natural forcing without further agreement.
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#3
Posted 2007-February-08, 22:57
Without any special agreements, 2♥ is forcing in the given sequence: invitational or better, at least 5-4 in the majors. If you have to choose one or the other, 2♥ is more valuable as a natural and forcing than as a pass/correct bid ... the hands that still have game interest take priority over the ones that just want to play a different partscore.
Some players adopt the following sequences (or something similar) to try to gain flexibility/accuracy:
1♣ : 1♠
2♣ : 2♥ = Weak with both majors (pass/correct)
1♣ : 1♠
2♣ : 2♦! = artificial and F1 (functioning very much like NMF)
This enables responder to show the weak ♥+♠ hands and have a way to bid stronger hands effectively as well.
Susan
Some players adopt the following sequences (or something similar) to try to gain flexibility/accuracy:
1♣ : 1♠
2♣ : 2♥ = Weak with both majors (pass/correct)
1♣ : 1♠
2♣ : 2♦! = artificial and F1 (functioning very much like NMF)
This enables responder to show the weak ♥+♠ hands and have a way to bid stronger hands effectively as well.
Susan
#4
Posted 2007-February-08, 23:15
I believe if you're playing Standard American it is forcing unless another partner agreement is in place.
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#5
Posted 2007-February-08, 23:27
The bandaid that 1C - 1S - 2C - 2H can be non-forcing only works in that particular sequence. There are still problems with 1D - 1S - 2C and 1D - 1S - 2D. Responder cant make a cheap temporizing bid.
For new players, just accept that its forcing. Its really an unsolveable problem unless you play reverse flannery.
For new players, just accept that its forcing. Its really an unsolveable problem unless you play reverse flannery.
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#6
Posted 2007-February-09, 01:04
I recommend responding 1♥ on hands like:
Qxxxx
KJxx
x
xxx
In principle one should then also play 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♠ as this hand type, but since most play N-way NMF anyway this is no problem.
Qxxxx
KJxx
x
xxx
In principle one should then also play 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♠ as this hand type, but since most play N-way NMF anyway this is no problem.
#7
Posted 2007-February-09, 02:05
This is an easy to remember rule: (Guess it was invented yet by E. Culbertson)
Responders new suit is 100% forcing except opener's rebid is 1NT.
After 1NT you should play NMF or CBS.
If your partner insists, you can make other agreements. But I wouldn't accept.
Al
Responders new suit is 100% forcing except opener's rebid is 1NT.
After 1NT you should play NMF or CBS.
If your partner insists, you can make other agreements. But I wouldn't accept.
Al
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#9
Posted 2007-February-09, 08:15
Gerben42, on Feb 9 2007, 02:04 AM, said:
I recommend responding 1♥ on hands like:
Qxxxx
KJxx
x
xxx
In principle one should then also play 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♠ as this hand type, but since most play N-way NMF anyway this is no problem.
Qxxxx
KJxx
x
xxx
In principle one should then also play 1♣ - 1♥ - 1NT - 2♠ as this hand type, but since most play N-way NMF anyway this is no problem.
I think this is a very poor idea, especially for beginning players who want to learn standard bidding.
Bidding your best suits first may be boring and old-fashioned, it has a lot going for it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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#10
Posted 2007-February-09, 08:34
Agree with Han. On that particular hand you're quite happy passing a 2♣ rebid anyway. A hand like
Qxxxx
KJxxx
xx
x
would be more interesting: I think it's still normal to bid 1♠, but there is a good argument for 1♥.
Qxxxx
KJxxx
xx
x
would be more interesting: I think it's still normal to bid 1♠, but there is a good argument for 1♥.
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