[kgr]

MP/Vul vs Not
You hold: void-KJx-KQ9xx-AKQ9x
RHO opens 2♠ weak.
What do you bid with expert pickup partner without discussion?
What do you bid with your regular partner?

thanks,
Koen

[pbleighton]

Double, raising to game over any non-jump response.

Peter

[cherdano]

Double. Over Lebensohl I bid 3♦, over any 3-level bid I will cue 3♠.

[the hog]

X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious?

[zasanya]

The_Hog, on Feb 5 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious?

1.Some experts do not like to double with a void in opponents suit.
2.Some partnerships guarantee 4 card ♥ after a double of 2♠

I will X with any partner.

[pclayton]

I'll double but I'm not crazy about it.

[the hog]

zasanya, on Feb 6 2007, 12:52 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Feb 5 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious?

1.Some experts do not like to double with a void in opponents suit.
2.Some partnerships guarantee 4 card ♥ after a double of 2♠

I will X with any partner.

Can you tell us who these "experts" are, please? Who doesn't X a 2S opening on say a 0454 18 count? I would like to ask these "experts" what they do on such a hand.

[Edmunte1]

1. I would have doubled without discussion
2. I would have bid 3♠ showing either a strong hand with minors or a strong one suited hand in a minor, followed probably by 4♥

[mike777]

I will let experts bid and tell you why.....with this hand I just bid 3d oh well.
Yes I see only 3 losers but still bid 3D.

[whereagles]

Hum.. dbl or 4NT, depending on what I had for dinner

[MFA]

whereagles, on Feb 6 2007, 03:20 AM, said:

Hum.. dbl or 4NT, depending on what I had for dinner

Hmm, if 4NT then we might have a tainted meat situation, please be alert. Just kidding of course.

I think double is clearly right. Hearts can easily be right if partner has 5. Rigid rules about what to promiss or deny by doubling is ridiculous.

However, 4NT is much-much better than 3♦. When it goes all pass after 3♦, I'd start throwing up even before the dummy comes down.

[mike777]

thank goodness us nonexperts 3d bidders can have the following weak excuse
1) I bid my longest suit
2) I am void in spades
3) I cannot lead a spade vs x contract
4) I have less than 4 hearts.
5) LTC ..hmm thought that only matters once a fit is found?

[brianshark]

I might bid 3♦, though I'm leaning towards 4NT as well. Don't get me wrong, I've made t/o doubles holding a void before but I do it with great discomfort as a calculated risk and pray that partner will pull it.

I don't think this is the hand to lie about your holding. When we have one trump less than partner expects, when we can't lead ♠s right away like partner expects, I'd say that on hands that we knock 2♠ a decent amount, we may have missed a minor suit slam. Or we may end up in game in a 4-3 heart fit going off because of a nasty break.

Having said that, I'm no "expert" either. Obviously my opinions are inferior because they don't agree with the 'one true choice' that is double.

[Gerben42]

Dbl with pickup partner

3♠ with regular partner: minors, a bit worried about the 3-card ♥ which partner won't expect, but still with 6♥ he'll try 4♥...

[the hog]

mike777, on Feb 6 2007, 07:00 PM, said:

thank goodness us nonexperts 3d bidders can have the following weak excuse
1) I bid my longest suit
2) I am void in spades
3) I cannot lead a spade vs x contract
4) I have less than 4 hearts.
5) LTC ..hmm thought that only matters once a fit is found?

C are as long and are better quality, so why don't you bid 3C? You might hear 3D (Yeah, as if!)
So what if you have less than 4H - has congress passed a law disallowing partner to have 5 or more?
I fail to see what LTC has to do with this discussion.

The S void is a slight handicap, but a good partner won't pass with less than a decent S holding.

Gerben, as a matter of interest, what would you bid with a solid minor a couple of outside stoppers and no S stop if you can't bid 3S with that?

[mike777]

I make no claims that 3d is best...I only assume I am playing with a wc partner and bid my longest suit vul vs nv.



In a pickup WC partnership...I can live with 3d.....I will make many worse errors

[mhais]

double

[Gerben42]

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Gerben, as a matter of interest, what would you bid with a solid minor a couple of outside stoppers and no S stop if you can't bid 3S with that?

Double followed by 3♠.

[mike777]

ok ok I am only vote for 3d how bad was that to x?

[inquiry]

Three places to play. Double.