[clayniac]

At the club today, I held ♠jxx ♥akqtxx ♦ void ♣ qxxx

1 ♥-2 ♣
2 ♥-4nt-
?

If I bid 5 ♠ showing 2 with the queen in hearts, partner bids 6 nt.
If I bid 5 nt, by agreement showing 2 with a useful void, partner bids 6 ♥

6 nt went down for a tie for bottom.
6 ♥ makes for a tie for top.

Thanks all, Patsy

[jtfanclub]

What did 2♥ show? Count only, or a 6th heart?

[cherdano]

As 5N gets me to a making 6♥, and 5♠ to 6N down, I will bid 5N.

[inquiry]

I would show the void first, if partner is interested in grand if I have the queen, he has ways to explore. As an aside, I strongly feel that this auction (1H-2m-2H-4NT) should NOT be RKCB for hearts. I think it should be natural and invitational. You can bid 3H (set trumps, game force, get an oppurnity for 4C raise) and then bid 4NT NEXT as responder;.

This option may not be possible if 2C is not 2/1 GF.

[Echognome]

clayniac, on Feb 5 2007, 03:02 PM, said:

At the club today, I held ♠jxx ♥akqtxx ♦ void ♣ qxxx

1 ♥-2 ♣
2 ♥-4nt-
?

If I bid 5 ♠ showing 2 with the queen in hearts, partner bids 6 nt.
If I bid 5 nt, by agreement showing 2 with a useful void, partner bids 6 ♥

6 nt went down for a tie for bottom.
6 ♥ makes for a tie for top.

Thanks all, Patsy

Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦)

[jtfanclub]

Echognome, on Feb 5 2007, 06:39 PM, said:

Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦)

Maybe 2♣ shows 10+ hcp, and 2♥ is passable?

I know most of the people on this site are better than I am, but I still claim that we can't possibly determine which bid should be made until we know what the original bids meant. Even between SAYC and 2/1 what's been told to partner already is very, very different.

[cherdano]

jtfanclub, on Feb 5 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

Echognome, on Feb 5 2007, 06:39 PM, said:

Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦)

Maybe 2♣ shows 10+ hcp, and 2♥ is passable?

If 2♥ is passable, I would be even more inclined to splinter

I would not splinter in SAYC or 2/1, since I don't want to rule out 4♥ as a contract yet, but it will certainly work well opposite many hands.

Arend

[han]

I'm the lone 5S bidder, Partner won't know which void I have.

[Apollo81]

You're not the lone 5♠ bidder. I also bid 5♠ since pard will not know which void I have. You have a better hand than you promised. I'd say this one is pard's fault for bidding 6NT. Can we have the whole deal?

[han]

Agree, partner should not jump to RKC if (s)he doesn't know what slam the right slam is yet.

[clayniac]

♦Noble, you and I seem to agree a lot. I bid 5 spades-2 with the queen. Partner had ♠kqx ♥xx ♦ajtx ♣akjx and got a ♦ lead. Any other lead, he knocks out the ♠ ace and claims 12 tricks in 6 nt. 6♥ is cold on any lead (♥ behave). 6 nt makes on any lead but a ♦. One other pair was in 6 nt down one, and one pair was in 6 ♥ making. No one else was in slam except those two pairs and us.
I thought it was important to show the solid ♥ suit. Turns out if I bid 5 nt-2 with a useful void-partner will bid 6 ♥ knowing i have a pointed void. Void can't be in♣.
There is also an argument that I could raise ♣ or splinter in ♦ after partner's 2 ♣ bid and then show the solid ♥ suit.
Thanks all, Patsy

[cherdano]

I think 4N with that hand is a very bad bid. If 2♣ was GF, your partner should just bid 2N, forcing, and wait for further description by you. If 2♣ was not GF, it is ugly, and I might make the bad bid of 4N myself

[clayniac]

I was playing with a long-time partner, friend and teammate. We have established agreements; and our convention card has expanded over time.
We play a 2/1 that started with fairly basic 2/1 but which has gotten a bit more sophisticated over the years.
Thanks for input everyone, will continue to follow the replies and the poll results.
Patsy

[mike777]

Why am I not bidding 3d over 2clubs?

[keylime]

I think void is far more important. The queen is an hidden asset, but it's critical to just get to the right slam.

[cherdano]

mike777, on Feb 6 2007, 07:29 PM, said:

Why am I not bidding 3d over 2clubs?

Because you don't have 5-5 in the red suits?

I don't think there is a standard agreement for this one...