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Another slam try

Poll: Openning (8 member(s) have cast votes)

Openning

  1. 1[CL] (5 votes [62.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  2. strong bid (f.e. 2CL) (3 votes [37.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

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#1 User is offline   Miron 

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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:28

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What would you open?

Say you open 1♣:
1♣ - pass - 1♥* - 1♠
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What is your rebid? 1♥ is 4+♥ but could have longer diamonds if weaker than 12 HCP.

Lets say you rebid 3NT. Should partner run for slam with?:
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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:32

Miron, on Feb 5 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

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What would you open?

Say you open 1♣:
1♣ - pass - 1♥* - 1♠
?
What is your rebid? 1♥ is 4+♥ but could have longer diamonds if weaker than 12 HCP.

Lets say you rebid 3NT. Should partner run for slam with?:
Scoring: IMP

Open 1♣, rebid 3N...

I expect pard to pass 3N. Its very fortunate we have a nice side suit, but there's no guarantee of that.

Now sooommmeee posters might suggest a 2♦ rebid to 'cater' to the 3% chance we have 6♦, but I think this is bad bridge.
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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:32

99% of US players would open 1♣, followed by 3NT. I prefer the strong bid of 2♣.
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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:37

2♣ would have been nice, but it's no guarantee u get to 6nt. Only if u want to reply to 2♣ with 3♦ (showing 3+ controls and a 5+ suit with at least an A/K), in which case 6♣ is trivial after rkc.

Otherwise 1♣ and 3NT are totally acceptable and pd's pass is the only sane choice.
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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:39

pclayton, on Feb 5 2007, 04:32 PM, said:

Miron, on Feb 5 2007, 01:28 PM, said:

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♠ xx
♥ Axxx
♦ K10xxx
♣ Jx
 

Open 1♣, rebid 3N...

I expect pard to pass 3N. Its very fortunate we have a nice side suit, but there's no guarantee of that.

Now sooommmeee posters might suggest a 2♦ rebid to 'cater' to the 3% chance we have 6♦, but I think this is bad bridge.

Agree with everything, except the estimate of 3% B)
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Posted 2007-February-05, 15:56

I can live with 1C and 2C, the later espesically,
if you can get out in 3C, i.e. 2C does not force
to game.

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Posted 2007-February-05, 16:11

2♣...3♣ seems sane. I have either 8 surely with two chances for a ninth at NT or three and a half losers at suit play. Perfect description.

If I start 1♣, 3NT is not bad, althougb I've already underbid to a degree.

Partner might move. He expects nine tricks from me. 10 is really safe, and 11 gets cheap insurance rates. If he does move, 4♦ seems reasonable.

The only idea I disagree entirely with so far is the idea that bidding after 3NT is insane. I'm not sure how 10 tricks is ever in jeopardy in this auction, and 12 seems fairly reasonable a possibility.
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Posted 2007-February-05, 16:27

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2007, 11:56 PM, said:

I can live with 1C and 2C, the later espesically,
if you can get out in 3C, i.e. 2C does not force
to game.

Unless you are playing specifically SEF or German Forum D(+?), 2♣ is the only strong opening bid, and thus 2♣-2x-3♣ is forcing - otherwise you can't bid a game forcing club one suiter.

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Posted 2007-February-05, 16:34

cherdano, on Feb 5 2007, 05:27 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2007, 11:56 PM, said:

I can live with 1C and 2C, the later espesically,
if you can get out in 3C, i.e. 2C does not force
to game.

Unless you are playing specifically SEF or German Forum D(+?), 2♣ is the only strong opening bid, and thus 2♣-2x-3♣ is forcing - otherwise you can't bid a game forcing club one suiter.

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I know, but I seem to remeber, that a 2C opener in standard
american is just 95% forcing to game, espesially, if you play
2D as a waiting bid.

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Posted 2007-February-05, 16:36

P_Marlowe, on Feb 6 2007, 12:34 AM, said:

cherdano, on Feb 5 2007, 05:27 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Feb 5 2007, 11:56 PM, said:

I can live with 1C and 2C, the later espesically,
if you can get out in 3C, i.e. 2C does not force
to game.

Unless you are playing specifically SEF or German Forum D(+?), 2♣ is the only strong opening bid, and thus 2♣-2x-3♣ is forcing - otherwise you can't bid a game forcing club one suiter.

Arend

I know, but I seem to remeber, that a 2C opener in standard
american is just 95% forcing to game, espesially, if you play
2D as a waiting bid.

Yes, but you certainly can't get out at 3♣, as the 3♣ rebid is forcing.
(I would guess in standard, 2♣-then-3♣ is forcing to 3N or 4♣, although I would not be surprised if many treat is as game forcing.)
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