[flytoox]

At the fourth seat you hold:
S: AJ9XXX
H: 9X
D: JTX
C: K9

LHO opened 1N (13-15). Two passes to you, do you balance or not?

[vang]

yes, i'll balance. i'll assume i didn't look at vulnerability since you didn't mentioned it ;-).

[mike777]

I thought pass was clear but willing to listen and learn vs wk nt

[Free]

I don't consider this as a pure weak NT, it's more like intermediate. These are a problem from time to time, but if you use some common sense I think you can bid in 4th seat. I wouldn't recommend bidding in 2nd seat however.

[Edmunte1]

I'll definitely will balance. The main idea is when they play 1NT is almost like we play 1NT. I don't want to play 1NT with a 6 card major, maybe we don't have communication to cash spades, when 2♠ contract has much better chances of success. About the average force of our line, considering partner's double as penality (15+, tghough many players, including me, consider a 13-15 NT as a strong one) is 16-23 hcp, so it's a very good chance to receive a decent hand from partner

[mike777]

I guess no one thinks vul is important ...just bid..oh well listening

[FrancesHinden]

Vulnerability is always important, but this is a 2S bid in 2nd or 4th seat at any vul.

[whereagles]

Pard is likely to lead a red suit and that's prolly gonna cost a trick. 2♠ thus.

[hotShot]

Would you open this as weak 2?
A lot of us would, so this is worth a 2♠ now.

[pbleighton]

"Would you open this as weak 2?
A lot of us would, so this is worth a 2♠ now."

Didn't your mother teach you not to preempt a preempt

I would bid 2S if NV, pass if vul.

I've played weak/mini NT for a few years now, and have got more good scores from opps' overbidding than from their underbidding, especially when they are vulnerable.

Peter

[pclayton]

Auto 2♠.

[hotShot]

pbleighton, on Jan 31 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

"Would you open this as weak 2?
A lot of us would, so this is worth a 2♠ now."

Didn't your mother teach you not to preempt a preempt

I would bid 2S if NV, pass if vul.

I've played weak/mini NT for a few years now, and have got more good scores from opps' overbidding than from their underbidding, especially when they are vulnerable.

Peter

13-15 is a bit more than a preempt and the given hand is not minimum.

[Al_U_Card]

A principle consideration would be your methods OVER their weak (or in this case intermediate) NT openings. Since pard took no action and RHO didn't move....what are you walking into? In 1st seat, a weak 2S can wreak havoc.....in 4th it can set you up for a fall. All those holes need a lot of fillers from pard. I would tend to go quietly on this one.

[brianshark]

I'll pass. Good intermediates in the short suits suggests defending.

[han]

Clear 2S for me, unless Fred posts later that winners pass with this, then I pass.

[pbleighton]

"13-15 is a bit more than a preempt and the given hand is not minimum"

Both are true, but not by much, which is why I bid NV and pass V.

Peter

[the hog]

2S. Don't even need to think too hard about this one.

[MFA]

Clear 2♠. Even when defending is right, partner is unlikely to shift to spades before the post mortem.

[SoTired]

2S seems obvious.

Is anybody going to mention that if we pass, partner is likely to get off to a disastrous heart lead?

[mikeh]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 31 2007, 04:01 AM, said:

Vulnerability is always important, but this is a 2S bid in 2nd or 4th seat at any vul.

agreed