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#21 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2007-January-31, 17:01

ewj, on Jan 31 2007, 11:16 AM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 31 2007, 06:48 AM, said:

Dbl. If pard starts with a trump, where are their tricks coming from?

Passing was the winning action.

x
KJx
AJ9xx
xxxx


Axxx
A
QTxxxxx
x

I doubled...and they took their 13 top tricks on the non club lead :P

What the heck did p overcall 1s vul on?
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Posted 2007-January-31, 17:09

I am doubling and I've been wrong before so what the heck. :P
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Posted 2007-January-31, 17:41

ewj, on Jan 30 2007, 08:01 PM, said:

What the heck did p overcall 1s vul on?



I may have N and S confused, the earlier explanation was not clear.

No comments from the peanut gallery this time!
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Posted 2007-January-31, 18:29

- 3H is non-forcing for me. As a general rule, after three bids a non-jump in a new suit by fourth hand is NF for me.

- I don't like 3H, but I see no call I like better. I don't play 4H as a support jump shift (4M by an unpassed hand never is). Even if I did play it that way, I don't think I would make it with this hand. Partner would expect 4-5 or 5-5 in the majors, not 3-7.

- I some somebody say that they fully expect to make 5S, wow. Their overcall style must differ a lot from mine. I think that East had a clear 1S bid.

- Having seen all the hands I pass and lead a club
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Posted 2007-January-31, 20:18

I think east has a clear pass. ;)
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Posted 2007-January-31, 20:26

mike777, on Feb 1 2007, 12:18 PM, said:

I think east has a clear pass. ;)

Hannie is right. If you don't bid 1S on this hand you won't win much in the long term. 1S is obvious.
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Posted 2007-January-31, 22:22

ewj, on Jan 31 2007, 12:16 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 31 2007, 06:48 AM, said:

Dbl. If pard starts with a trump, where are their tricks coming from?

Passing was the winning action.

x
KJx
AJ9xx
xxxx


Axxx
A
QTxxxxx
x

I doubled...and they took their 13 top tricks on the non club lead ;)

Looks like 5♠ was best if it gets doubled....not if they bid 6♦
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Posted 2007-January-31, 23:09

Really? Why not have 1s show an excellent suit or an opening hand at this vul?
Others tell me bidding 1s on this hand is not winning bridge...just wondering
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Posted 2007-January-31, 23:22

mike777, on Feb 1 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

Really? Why not have 1s show an excellent suit or an opening hand at this vul?
Others tell me bidding 1s on this hand is not winning bridge...just wondering

Because bridge is a game of odds. If you wait till you get the hands you describe then you will be waiting for a long time.
Mike, are you familiar with the concept of 2 handed vs 4 handed bridge? I posted something on this a while ago. 4 handed players want to get in and out of the action asap. Incidentally, who are these "others". If you look up the past BBowl books I suspect some of the overcalls made might frighten the pants off you.
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Posted 2007-January-31, 23:50

The_Hog, on Feb 1 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

mike777, on Feb 1 2007, 03:09 PM, said:

Really?  Why  not have 1s show an excellent suit or an opening hand at this vul?
Others tell me bidding 1s on this hand is not winning bridge...just wondering

Because bridge is a game of odds. If you wait till you get the hands you describe then you will be waiting for a long time.
Mike, are you familiar with the concept of 2 handed vs 4 handed bridge? I posted something on this a while ago. 4 handed players want to get in and out of the action asap. Incidentally, who are these "others". If you look up the past BBowl books I suspect some of the overcalls made might frighten the pants off you.

I got them, thanks...will double check those vul overcalls thanks.
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Posted 2007-February-01, 00:05

Just took a fast look at the 2005 finals/semifinals and all the unfav overcalls seemed fine to me. Will look at the rest of the book later.

Excellent suit or opening hand..opening hand seemed to be almost always the case, never saw anything like this hand so far. :)
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Posted 2007-February-01, 06:48

at another table...east then protected with 5S...only to see lho bid 6D judging that his partner must be short in diamonds...and then this was doubled...and a heart led!!
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Posted 2007-February-01, 07:31

What's the purpose of Easts overcall? You don't want to sac at this vulnerability, you don't want a spade lead, you know that somebody will bid hearts anyway no matter what you do, partner will probably be on lead against hearts or notrump.

Once in a while you must play 4♠ and overcalling now is the only way to get there. Your extra distribution could compensate your rotten suit. That could motivate an overcall at IMPs where you don't want to miss a vulnerable game. But at MP? I don't get it.
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Posted 2007-February-01, 09:11

Just so you know, eventhough I failed to get this one right, I fully agree with pard's overcall of 1♠. Swap pard's ♣A for opponent's ♠A and they STILL have 6♦ and now pard has a 100% routine 1♠ overcall. And I would STILL get it wrong.. yuck :(
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Posted 2007-February-01, 11:37

I do not overcall one spade...I still think lousy hand, lousy suit...easy pass at this vul. oh well
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Posted 2007-February-01, 20:13

I don't understand the criticism of the overcall. An overcall has more objectives than to simply indicate a lead or a possible sacrifice, and the other reasons are more important than these first two: to compete for the partscore and to bid a possible game.

Partner has not passed, and opposite as little as: Axxx, Axx, xxxx, Q10 you have a good enough chances to bid a vulnerable imp game. Even if you don't bid game, at mps you can compete to 3S and make +140 or +170 easily.

I would certainly get in at 1S - to sit quietly is to allow the NV vs Vul opps to steal you blind.
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Posted 2007-February-01, 21:02

At unfav vul...lousy hand, lousy suit, passing does not mean they have stolen you blind, the bidding is not over. Sure they play in 3d when you can make 3s but this a matter of frequency...do you want to give up all of your constructive bidding at mp?
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Posted 2007-February-01, 21:45

helene_t, on Feb 1 2007, 03:31 PM, said:

What's the purpose of Easts overcall? You don't want to sac at this vulnerability, you don't want a spade lead, you know that somebody will bid hearts anyway no matter what you do, partner will probably be on lead against hearts or notrump.

Once in a while you must play 4♠ and overcalling now is the only way to get there. Your extra distribution could compensate your rotten suit. That could motivate an overcall at IMPs where you don't want to miss a vulnerable game. But at MP? I don't get it.

Once in a while you can play 2♠ and make it, another time 3♠, another time you can push them to 3♥-1 instead of 2♥=. I can't imagine passing this hand.
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Posted 2007-February-01, 22:35

mike777, on Feb 1 2007, 10:02 PM, said:

At unfav vul...lousy hand, lousy suit, passing does not mean they have stolen you blind, the bidding is not over. Sure they play in 3d when you can make 3s but this a matter of frequency...do you want to give up all of your constructive bidding at mp?

I admit I didn't look at the bidding too closely and thus didn't consider that opener had bid 1D and my K isn't so hot - with this holding, 1S is a lot more suspect but at MPs still worth the risk I think.

If J10xxx, x, Kx, AJxxx I think it is clear-cut at any form of scoring.
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Posted 2007-February-02, 01:13

I overcall 1S. I have a 2nd suit to show. Just 'cause I overcall doesn't mean I'm promising the world.
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