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Can You Get These Cards to Slam? Troubling hand from last night

#1 User is offline   Winstonm 

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Posted 2007-January-28, 12:24

Scoring: IMP

Our auction, with opponents silent, playing 2/1 started:
1D-1S
3D-3S* (*forcing)


What is the best route to the good 6S contract?
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Posted 2007-January-28, 12:55

1♦ 1♠
3♦ 3♥
3♠ 4♣
4♦ 4♠
4NT 5♦
5♥ 6♦
6♠

3♥ = a bit double dummy, but has the advantage of letting pard bid 3♠ if he has delayed support
4♣, 4♦ = cues
4♠ = no heart cue
5♥ = have ♠Q?
6♦ = yes, plus help in diams if you want to bid 7
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Posted 2007-January-28, 12:57

whereagles, on Jan 28 2007, 01:55 PM, said:

1♦ 1♠
3♦ 3♥
3♠ 4♣
4♦ 4♠
4NT 5♦
5♥ 6♦
6♠

3♥ = a bit double dummy, but has the advantage of letting pard bid 3♠ if he has delayed support
4♣, 4♦ = cues
4♠ = no heart cue
5♥ = have ♠Q?
6♦ = yes, plus help in diams if you want to bid 7

Nice auction but that 3H bid????? Would you find it at the table?
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:03

Winstonm, on Jan 28 2007, 06:57 PM, said:

Nice auction but that 3H bid????? Would you find it at the table?

Not all of the time, but maybe 50% of the time :angry:
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:17

After 1D - 1S - 3D - 3S North has a monumentally good hand. The danger is bidding a grand...

1D - 1S
3D - 3S
4C - 4D

4C = cue
4D = cue (the Q in the suit partner has jump rebid in together with a 7th spade is huge)

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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:19

RKC now and 6S (7S if 2+SQ)
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:23

dake50, on Jan 28 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

RKC now and 6S (7S if 2+SQ)

This is the route we took, but it felt a little like guesswork and rather a blunt instrument.
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:25

Winston,

I play 1D-1M-3D as showing 3 pieces of support and six diamonds. I'm not introducing an 8 high suit at three level when it doesn't help pard.

Maybe something like...

1d-1s
3d-3d
4c-4d
4s-4nt
answer - 6S
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:32

FrancesHinden, on Jan 28 2007, 02:17 PM, said:

After 1D - 1S - 3D - 3S North has a monumentally good hand.  The danger is bidding a grand...

1D - 1S
3D - 3S
4C - 4D

4C = cue
4D = cue (the Q in the suit partner has jump rebid in together with a 7th spade is huge)

Blackwood

I like this auction a lot better than ours.
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Posted 2007-January-28, 13:55

I don't. Why can't 4♣ be a 6-4? Say..

A
xx
AKJTxx
Kxxx

if you think that's a 2♣ rebid, instead of 3♣, how about..

A
xx
AKQJTx
Kxxx
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Posted 2007-January-28, 14:12

The easiest way is something like:

1♦ 4♠ (Who was it who said 7-4 hands should bid game?!)
6♠
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Posted 2007-January-28, 14:49

Winstonm, on Jan 28 2007, 01:24 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

Our auction, with opponents silent, playing 2/1 started:
1D-1S
3D-3S* (*forcing)


What is the best route to the good 6S contract?

over 3s i would just rkc...btw I would be very nervous about my 3d rebid....these jump rebids in minors are such random bids but I doubt I see anything that much better......

4h splinter over 1s would be a distant second choice I guess?
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Posted 2007-January-28, 14:52

whereagles, on Jan 28 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

I don't. Why can't 4♣ be a 6-4? Say..

A
xx
AKJTxx
Kxxx

if you think that's a 2♣ rebid, instead of 3♣, how about..

A
xx
AKQJTx
Kxxx

I am a proponent of showing both suits with 64 patterns and extra values, so with the hands you suggest I would not bid 3D.

The jump rebid is such a space-killer my thinking is that it should be reserved for true 1-suited hands.


Besides that, I don't think the 4-level is a place to be trying to find a fit - so to me the auction 1D-1S-3D-3S-4C doesn't make sense other than a cue bid.
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Posted 2007-January-28, 18:01

I agree with Frances's auction. Opener's hand has become huge, and if responder is willing to cooperate (with 4D) then it's time to launch blackwood. But if partner bids 4S next then I think I pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-January-28, 19:29

RKCB after 3♠, there is an abundant source of tricks in ♦s, the ♠J is a huge card. Why stuff around?

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Posted 2007-January-28, 19:37

after 3♠ opener should bid RKC
his hand is worth a billion bajillon points

upon finding 1+Q he bids 6♠
upon finding 2+Q he bids 7♠

no further questions necessary
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Posted 2007-January-29, 04:01

RKCB after 3S.

I wouldn't cue bid as North because I'm not going to stop if partner tries to sign off.
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Posted 2007-January-29, 05:16

Winstonm, on Jan 28 2007, 08:52 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 28 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

I don't. Why can't 4♣ be a 6-4? Say..

A
xx
AKJTxx
Kxxx

if you think that's a 2♣ rebid, instead of 3♣, how about..

A
xx
AKQJTx
Kxxx

I am a proponent of showing both suits with 64 patterns and extra values, so with the hands you suggest I would not bid 3D.

The jump rebid is such a space-killer my thinking is that it should be reserved for true 1-suited hands.


Besides that, I don't think the 4-level is a place to be trying to find a fit - so to me the auction 1D-1S-3D-3S-4C doesn't make sense other than a cue bid.

You are, of course, aware that this is only your opinion and that pard might be on a different wavelength...?

Not to mention that pard might be stuck after 3♠ for not having a heart stop to bid 3NT...
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Posted 2007-January-29, 19:30

whereagles, on Jan 29 2007, 06:16 AM, said:

Winstonm, on Jan 28 2007, 08:52 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 28 2007, 02:55 PM, said:

I don't. Why can't 4♣ be a 6-4? Say..

A
xx
AKJTxx
Kxxx

if you think that's a 2♣ rebid, instead of 3♣, how about..

A
xx
AKQJTx
Kxxx

I am a proponent of showing both suits with 64 patterns and extra values, so with the hands you suggest I would not bid 3D.

The jump rebid is such a space-killer my thinking is that it should be reserved for true 1-suited hands.


Besides that, I don't think the 4-level is a place to be trying to find a fit - so to me the auction 1D-1S-3D-3S-4C doesn't make sense other than a cue bid.

You are, of course, aware that this is only your opinion and that pard might be on a different wavelength...?

Not to mention that pard might be stuck after 3♠ for not having a heart stop to bid 3NT...

Sure - just expressing my opinion only. :P

And some hands are truly unbidable: A, xxx, AKQ10xx, Kxx
1D-1S
3D-3S
????

Fact of the matter, anything could worik out and score all right, from pass to 4D, to 3N to 4S or even 4C.

But for me, I am bidding 3N - if they beat it - well, I've gone down before so they aren't getting a virgin. ;)

Besides, I have a theory here that I can always rely on not to get me in too much trouble: When I run out of scientific bids to show my hand, I make the most practical bid I can think of. In this case, 3N is the practical bid, even with the xxx in hearts because partner may hold the stop and opps may not even lead them.
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Posted 2007-January-30, 05:16

Winstonm, on Jan 30 2007, 01:30 AM, said:

Besides, I have a theory here that I can always rely on not to get me in too much trouble: When I run out of scientific bids to show my hand, I make the most practical bid I can think of. In this case, 3N is the practical bid, even with the xxx in hearts because partner may hold the stop and opps may not even lead them.

There's a lot to be said for that, you know? :huh:
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