[mike777]

1) If pass is clear over 2clubs here what would 2clubs have shown?
2) IF I pass the first time and p bids x over 2spades what is a typical hand for her x now?

[pclayton]

I have no problem with 2♣ and I have no issues with pass.

Coming from a 12-14 NT environ, 2♣ is easier for me however.

Having passed, and partner marked with short spades and a likely 0=4=4=5 pattern, I can't do less than 4♣.

[flytoox]

With an Ace and a shortage, I certainly would raise to 2C. Now I bid 4 Clubs. 3C is probably too conservative.

[000002]

Sorry to "name drop" but if you think pass is crazy then you should know that garozzo passed at the table (my counterpart), bob hamman said he would pass, and my dad said he would pass, and bart bramley said he would pass..

i don't know why they pass 1♠?i doubt they are NOT leading player now in the world --if they all agree that pass is the best bidding.does anyone fake this message?

i take a simple instance to expose the fact that 2♣ is the best bidding:
assume:1♣-1♠-pass-4♥,following this auction how to do if openner hold:
Kx
A
xxxx
AKxxxx
As we know,4♥ is a iron contract and 5♣ iron too.
but ,how to do by openner if u pass 1♠ overcalling?

bridge is a game based on 2players , not alone hero.

regards 000002

[the hog]

The 1C opening can show a 3 card C suit, right? In that context, I think pass is the correct initial action. Now I would bid 4C.

[Winstonm]

I have a preference for an immediate 2C. This hand is never going to want to penalize 1S, and after a pass it will be hard to describe. Although 2C slightly overstates the support, in cases like this I think if important to support quickly in order to let partner make most further decisions about the hand.

In the auction given, how do you express your hand now? If partner holds something like void, Axx, Axxx, AKxxxx game in clubs is almost cold, but if he holds more like void, AKJx, KQxx, Kxxxx prosepects aren't so good. So after pass you really can't jump to 4C and partner would have to be inspired to move with hand 1 over 3C.

And as Mike Lawrence once pointed out, sometimes it's important to show this little bit of minor support quickly in case partner has a good enough suit he can compete to the 3 or 4 level.

(Edit: I posted without reading any of the responses, so if this is redundant, well too bad. )

[000002]

The_Hog, on Jan 26 2007, 11:56 PM, said:

The 1C opening can show a 3 card C suit, right? In that context, I think pass is the correct initial action. Now I would bid 4C.

ok, assume opener only 3cards ♣,then his hand is exact 3433 and 12-14hcps,what is opps hand?21total counts and 9cards ♦.

should i puerilely think they will sign off 1♠?i think i'm gaga if i did so.




regards 000002

[Winstonm]

What is the big concern over partner holding 3 clubs, anyway? 2C in a 4/3 fit - BFD. Partner surely won't compete any higher with a 3433 pattern, but it will be important to him to know there is a fit with many 5431 patterns.

I think pass is more of a knee-jerk reaction than a well-thought out analysis between pass and 2C. I am not faulting the passers, I just don't think that is the best call.

[han]

I would have bid 2C so I find it very interesting that Garozzo, Hamman and these other world class players would pass. I expect that they know what they are doing Winston.

I've read the thread so I am biased, I'm convinced that 4C is the right bid.

[Winstonm]

Hannie, on Jan 28 2007, 12:26 AM, said:

I would have bid 2C so I find it very interesting that Garozzo, Hamman and these other world class players would pass. I expect that they know what they are doing Winston.

I've read the thread so I am biased, I'm convinced that 4C is the right bid.

At what point did I suggest that Hamman, Garozzo, and others did not know what they were doing?

What I would like to know is why Hamman, Garozzo, and other world class players chose NOT to bid 2C - then I could learn something. I argued that 2C is best, but they obviously disagree - I would like to know why.