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A 4th seat question

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Posted 2007-January-21, 03:57

You're playing a team match, All Vulnerable, you hold:
Scoring: IMP


pass - pass - pass - ???

What do you plan? A simple 1♠, or something else?
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Posted 2007-January-21, 03:59

4♠, unless I'm playing a relay system.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 04:08

1♠, I'll go slow here, if partner does not have wasted ♦ values, 6♠ will not need more than the 9-10 HCP, he's likely to have.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 04:44

1S

Yes my next bid might be over 5D, but I think we should take the risk to give partner the chance to make a bid.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 06:48

3♠
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Posted 2007-January-21, 07:40

I can't see any reason for anything but 1S.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 19:46

mcphee, on Jan 21 2007, 08:40 AM, said:

I can't see any reason for anything but 1S.

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Posted 2007-January-21, 21:37

1S. Please.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 03:24

1S. Anything else is playing solo, not bridge.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 04:38

Since everybody seems to be quite confident about an eventual slam on this one, will anyone care to tell me how you're planning to find out if pard has the right cards?
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Posted 2007-January-22, 04:46

whereagles, on Jan 21 2007, 11:59 AM, said:

4♠, unless I'm playing a relay system.

But isn't it standard that relays don't apply after a 3rd/4th seat limited opener?

I'm sure Ben has a high-level opening that shows this hand excatly (kidding) but otherwise I open 4♠.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 04:50

helene_t, on Jan 22 2007, 10:46 AM, said:

But isn't it standard that relays don't apply after a 3rd/4th seat limited opener?

Who says I'd open with a limited bid? <_< I'd try the opener that would enable the relay sequences, be it 1♠ or 1♣ or whatever :lol:
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Posted 2007-January-22, 05:43

I like 1♠.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 09:48

whereagles, on Jan 22 2007, 05:38 AM, said:

Since everybody seems to be quite confident about an eventual slam on this one, will anyone care to tell me how you're planning to find out if pard has the right cards?

The auction starts 1S P 2H p 4D p and we get to slam in HEARTS opposite x KQxxx xxxx Axxx. Sweet.

The auction starts 1S p 1N p 3S p and we stop in 3S opposite x Qxx Kxxxx Qxx. Sweet.

The auction starts 1S p 2C(drury) p 2H p 3H p and we get to slam opposite Kxx KQxxx Qxx xx. Sweet.

Lots of things can happen. We're unsure about strain and level. We have no one to preempt. Why make a unilateral bid with such a hand?
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Posted 2007-January-22, 11:02

4♠ I'd rather get it out there than bid 1s and have to wonder what to do when bidding goes 1♠ - 2♦ - pass - 5♦
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Posted 2007-January-22, 11:10

We have the boss suit, plus with 4 hearts we may be playing there.

1S.

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Posted 2007-January-22, 12:32

1♠ is fine. This hand has so much potential, that 4♠ just shuts the door on any intelligent bidding.

I think 4 of a major openings in 4th seat should be very narrowly defined. I would opt for something very pure like:

AKQxxxx
Axx
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xx

What's everyone else think? Or should a 4 level preempt in 4th seat not even exist?
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Posted 2007-January-22, 13:24

My view:

With spades - doesn't exist.

With hearts - not sure, maybe your had (pclayton) maybe still doesn't exist.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 13:51

4S, no problem yet.
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Posted 2007-January-23, 00:57

I open 4S.
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