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#1 User is offline   mr1303 

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Posted 2007-January-10, 19:35

You're fortunate to be dealt:

Scoring: IMP


Bidding proceeds:

Pass Pass 2♥ to you.

What is your plan?

If you double, partner bids 2NT (Lebensohl).

What next?
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Posted 2007-January-10, 20:40

I start with a double, then after 2NT (lebensohl), continue with 3♥, then 4♠. My sequence shows a hand that can literally make 4♠ on its own. Any king or queen that partner can produce is likely to be worth a trick. Therefore, with a black king, another high honor, and better than a low singleton in spades, partner should put me in slam.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 05:17

1 reply? It's not that dull a hand!!
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Posted 2007-January-13, 05:21

Think I'm just bidding 3N over 2N.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 06:01

I double and bid 4♠. This seems to about show the hand I have (too strong for double-then-3S, too flexible for direct 4♠). Double-then-3N doesn't show enough IMO.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 06:01

I didn't reply because I would have just said more or less what Foxx said.

It might still be difficult for partner to bid slam on a couple of cards, but you will have helped him as much as possible.

Wrong sided 3NT is too risky for me.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 07:01

Make a info X, followed by bidding 4S.
3NT maybe better, but I fear, that the spade
suit needs more than the two heart stoppers,
and maybe they attack clubs.

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Posted 2007-January-13, 08:16

mr1303, on Jan 11 2007, 03:35 AM, said:

You're fortunate to be dealt:

Dealer: West
Vul: N/S
Scoring: IMP
♠ AQJxxx
♥ AQ
♦ AKx
♣ AJ
 


Bidding proceeds:

Pass Pass 2♥ to you.

What is your plan?

If you double, partner bids 2NT (Lebensohl).

What next?

The 3♣ relay I bid.

There is a risk we will miss a club game if partner is very weak - but I prefer to have an indication from partner.

As always I prefer good hands to progress slowly.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 08:20

Doesn't the risk of "finding" a club partscore overweight the one of missing a club game? :)
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Posted 2007-January-13, 08:25

gwnn, on Jan 13 2007, 04:20 PM, said:

Doesn't the risk of "finding" a club partscore overweight the one of missing a club game?  :)

2NT shows 0-7cP, any distribution - so 3NT can be a poor adventure.

Holding a 2 suiter I will consider 3♥ as relay instead. In that case the sequence is: 2♥ - DBL - 2NT - 3♥(GF/slam invite)
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Posted 2007-January-13, 09:32

If dbl + 3♠ would be forcing, I'd try that. Otherwise I'll just bid what I think I can make: 4 or 6♠, depening on what I had for dinner.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 13:40

Well, I tried double and followed up with 4S after 2NT.

Partner didn't get the message, and passed holding:



On the heart lead I wrapped up all 13 tricks.

Bidding 3C here would have led to playing there apparently.

Lost 13 on the board, since they bid the slam (weren't playing Lebensohl at the other table).
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Posted 2007-January-13, 15:36

mr1303, on Jan 13 2007, 09:40 PM, said:

Well, I tried double and followed up with 4S after 2NT.

Partner didn't get the message, and passed holding:

Dealer: ?????
Vul: ????
Scoring: Unknown
♠ Kx
♥ xxx
♦ QJxx
♣ xxxx
 


On the heart lead I wrapped up all 13 tricks.

Bidding 3C here would have led to playing there apparently.

Lost 13 on the board, since they bid the slam (weren't playing Lebensohl at the other table).

No - this hand is not passed out over 3♣. The right bid is 3♠(trans -> ♦).

A pass hand looks like this xx J xxx Qxxxxxx. A 2NT bid holds 0-7cP = 0-4HcP. Therefore the hand is a borderline for 2NT.

I think it will be right to bid 3NT(balanced, No ♥ stop).

2♥ - DBL - 3NT(balanced, No ♥ stop) - 4♠ (stop)
2♥ - DBL - 3NT(balanced, No ♥ stop) - 4♥ (slam)
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Posted 2007-January-13, 17:10

What was wrong with the original suggestion of 3H (Foxx) cuebid before the 4S to show extra strength? Why are we punting in the dark with 4S over 2NT?
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Posted 2007-January-13, 18:08

Let me get this right.

Holding the North hand after partner doubles 2H Claus is forcing to game?

Please let me play against him for money.

As to the other question, what is the difference between:

(2H) X
2NT 3H
4C 4S

and

(2H) X
2NT 4S

Does anyone have any definite agreements on the sequences?
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Posted 2007-January-13, 19:45

mr1303, on Jan 14 2007, 01:08 AM, said:

As to the other question, what is the difference between:

(2H) X
2NT 3H
4C 4S

and

(2H) X
2NT 4S

Does anyone have any definite agreements on the sequences?

The first one doesn't sound like a single-suiter to me. I might take it as a cue for clubs, or alternatively as a huge hand with something like 5143 shape.

The second sequence is unambiguously a single-suiter.
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Posted 2007-January-13, 19:52

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As to the other question, what is the difference between:

(2H) X
2NT 3H
4C 4S

and

(2H) X
2NT 4S

Does anyone have any definite agreements on the sequences?

I play this :

(2♥) - 3♠ : a 5- to 4-loser hand with a very good spade suit and defense. Non forcing. AKQxxx x AKx Qxx.

(2♥) - X
2NT! - 3♠ : similar in strength to (2♥) - 3♠, but with a worse spade suit, i.e. a good 5-card suit or a broken 6-card suit. Non forcing. AKJTx x AKxx Axx.

(2♥) - X
2NT! - 4♠ : a 4- to 3-loser hand with a very good spade suit and defense, that gives up on slam after responder's negative bid. AKQxxx x AKQ Qxx.

(2♥) - X
2NT! - 3♥
4♣ - 4♠ : a very strong hand with a spade suit, but the shape is unclear. AKQxxx x AKQ Axx is possible, but so is AKJTx x AKxx AKJ.

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The current hand is strong enough for (2♥) - X - 2NT! - 3♥ - 4♣ - 4♠, but there is the question of 3NT. Since I feel this is a no-trump hand, I think I would simply bid it (2♥) - X - 2NT! - 3NT.
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Posted 2007-January-14, 04:16

mr1303, on Jan 14 2007, 02:08 AM, said:

Let me get this right.

Holding the North hand after partner doubles 2H Claus is forcing to game?

Please let me play against him for money.

As to the other question, what is the difference between:

(2H) X
2NT 3H
4C 4S

and

(2H) X
2NT 4S

Does anyone have any definite agreements on the sequences?

Does anyone have any definite agreements on the sequences?
you find them here - This is Ron Andersen which it looks like you are using yourself: http://bridgefiles.n...Conventions.bss
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