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#1 User is offline   ohioply 

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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:00

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This is your hand in 4th seat non vul vs vul
bidding went 1D - pass - 1S

Do you double, pass, or preempt in clubs?
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:03

I kibbed this hand from yesterday evening. The heart suit wasn't ♥QJxx, it was ♥JTxx.

I'd probably bid 4♣, but 3♣ is reasonable. Double is a little eccentric.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:05

2♣.

No strong urge to preempt: partner could still have a good hand... and this 4=7 (as most 4=7's) is a one-suiter, not a two-suiter, unless partner can introduce ♥s himself later (I can back in with 4N if the opps bounce to 4♠ and I want to take another call).
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:06

Yes I think you're right couldnt remember exact hearts...I doubled too ops bid 1nt - pass - 3nt and partner got lucky with a club lead - should I have bid 4c over their 3nt?
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:06

My order of preference: 3♣, 2♣, 4♣. If I'd psych, I would rather bid 1N than double. B)

(Unless partner has 5 hearts, I would rather play clubs than hearts. Especially with this hand in dummy it will be obvious for opponents to force me, and then I won't get more than 2 club tricks if they don't run or hearts are 4-1.)
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:17

cherdano, on Jan 9 2007, 01:06 PM, said:

My order of preference: 3♣, 2♣, 4♣. If I'd psych, I would rather bid 1N than double. B)

?! 3C is FAR more of a psyche than double.

Is 3C a strong bid now? I know I'd bid 3C with x xxx xxx KQJxxx pretty routinely, this hand is what 4 tricks stronger than that and has playability in hearts...

Mark me down for 2C.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:17

3♣ but I wouldn't criticize 4♣, but somewhere in the back of my mind is concern that we are possibly missing something in ♥, but with my holding JTxx and opener unable to bid over 1♦ we may not be missing anything meaningful in ♥ too often.

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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:22

2♣. I think 3♣ is overbid especially when pard might have some heart values.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:32

Looks like another candidate for the "preempts with good hands" thread? B)

I like 2♣ myself, although if the hearts were JTxx I would be more tempted to bid 3♣.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 12:35

Jlall, on Jan 9 2007, 08:17 PM, said:

cherdano, on Jan 9 2007, 01:06 PM, said:

My order of preference: 3♣, 2♣, 4♣. If I'd psych, I would rather bid 1N than double. B)

?! 3C is FAR more of a psyche than double.

Is 3C a strong bid now? I know I'd bid 3C with x xxx xxx KQJxxx pretty routinely, this hand is what 4 tricks stronger than that and has playability in hearts...

Mark me down for 2C.

I was assuming the actual hand at the table, i.e. x JTxx x AKJT9xx.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 13:02

awm, on Jan 9 2007, 10:32 AM, said:

Looks like another candidate for the "preempts with good hands" thread? B)

I like 2♣ myself, although if the hearts were JTxx I would be more tempted to bid 3♣.

If partner wasn't a passed hand, I'd make a 'normal' 2♣ overcall.

We have the lower ranking suits (if you know me, I have an alternate name for the 'lower ranking suits' B) :) ) so I'd like to push the bidding some.

For some reason, 2♣ didn't occur to me, but it should have because its eminently reasonable. I still like 3♣ more though, but I would put 2♣ in front of 4♣.
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Posted 2007-January-09, 13:05

4C. We are favorable, game seems unlikely, put the pressure on.

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Posted 2007-January-09, 15:21

I'm going to bid 4♣ because I don't think 3♣ will bother opps much and I fail to see what 2♣ hopes to accomplish when opps have 18+ hcp.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 01:53

2 ♣ for the given reasons.
1 NT to show 4 Heart and 5+ Clubs is a mile away and anything else is from another planet.
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Posted 2007-January-10, 02:00

Hi,

3C.

I want to try to buy the contract,
... but it is unclear, which side
has the majority, so 3C.

This will test their agreemnts at
a reasonable safety level.

And the contract may make, if they
let me play the contract.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-January-10, 04:18

1NT showing ♥ and ♣, with longer/better ♣. I'll come in again if possible (or if necessary).

If I can't show both my suits, I'll start with a simple 2♣.
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