[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     -     Pass
 Pass  1♥    Pass  1NT
 Pass  2♥    Pass  3♣
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


Hi everyone else playing this hand the bidding went 1 heart 1nt then 3 hearts but for me I only got 2 hearts from GIB, is this because I have setting set at the fastest speed and I should move it up a bit?

[Gerben42]

GIB runs simulations to see what bid works best. If you put it at the fastest speed it runs very few simulations so it will sometimes be off. I cannot recommend the fast setting at all!

[hotShot]

What would 3♥ show?
16+ HCP and a good ♥ suit and no other 4 card suit.
This is not what the North hand holds, so 2♥ just happens to be the maximum for this bid.
Without a fit you should not add distributional points for the single ♣.
imagine South has ♣KJ instead of the ace, the HCP would be lost. This would be consistent with the bidding. The single ♥J of south is very important, but the chances to find this card with south is only 1/7. ♣ break 3-3 that is good, but a little more often they break 4-2.
So 2♥ is in general better than 3♥ with north holding. In the actual hand you gave there are a few lucky extras.
♥J => 14%, ♣ 3-3 (24%) not 4-2 (35)% => 40%, ♣A instead of wasted values
So in about 99% of the times you won't find these extras.

[cherdano]

I think the North hand is a minimum for a 3♥ bid. With one ace less, I would still open happily, so I have to bid something more here.

[MFA]

North has a clear 3♥.
But, sceptic, 3♣?? Don't you trust partner's declarer skills?

[whereagles]

I'd pass 2♥. Not going to propose playing in that moth-eaten suit at the 3 lev. Incidently, I'd bid 3♥ instead of 2, but that's another story.

[csdenmark]

MFA, on Dec 29 2006, 01:53 PM, said:

North has a clear 3♥.
But, sceptic, 3♣?? Don't you trust partner's declarer skills?

Agree! The options are Pass, 3♥, 3NT or 4♣ but never 3♣.

6-1 distribution always acceptable for partscore.

[inquiry]

I think that this hand is not perfect for any of the three bids (wish I was playing ritong 2♣ here).

With extra values, I am not fond of rebidding 2♥ even with six, usually prefer bidding my 3 card minor.

With such a good heart suit, I don't want to risk playing in a 3-4 diamond fit when I have a one loser six card major.

A jump to 3♥ is just about right, but this is a minimum for such a bid.

Given the choice between 2♦, 2♥, and 3♥, I think 3♥ is (barely) the optiomal bid. One advantage of 3♥ it gets you to a makable 3NT.

[sceptic]

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North has a clear 3♥.
But, sceptic, 3♣?? Don't you trust partner's declarer skills?

Ok lambast me if you like bit after my 1NT and no heart support was 3Club that bad showing a weak hand and no heart support?

[Walddk]

sceptic, on Dec 29 2006, 05:34 PM, said:

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North has a clear 3♥.
But, sceptic, 3♣?? Don't you trust partner's declarer skills?

Ok lambast me if you like bit after my 1NT and no heart support was 3Club that bad showing a weak hand and no heart support?

A weak hand with no heart support passes 2♥.

Roland

[MFA]

IMO this is the wrong suit to bid 3♣ with. KQJTxx and 3♣ is perfect, but the actual hand is a great dummy for hearts and a bad declaring hand for clubs, if part has a misfit (or even a doubleton club).

[the hog]

"was 3Club that bad showing a weak hand and no heart support?" - sorry but "Yes!".

North has a minimum 3H bid. Wayne this is a very poor 3C bid. Your partner has shown 6H and your Cs are not that wonderful. Why pull 2H to 3C?