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#1 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2006-December-25, 08:49


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     Pass  Pass  3♥
 3NT   Dbl   Pass  4♥
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

HA H4 H3 H2
DA D5 D9 D4
SA S2 S5 S4
C3 CK CA CJ
CQ H6 C9 C6
H7 H5 HT HQ
D6 D8 D2 DK




6th Card do I play the K hearts from dummy or is it correct to finese

I based this only seeing 12 hcp from West

also do you agree with the bidding, I think I only go down 1 if I had got the hearts right
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Posted 2006-December-25, 12:25

I would finesse, expecting the 3N bidder to hold a double stop.

However, I would never face this problem because I would have passed the double. When you preempt you make the opponents guess. Partner's double said they have guessed wrong. Believe him.
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Posted 2006-December-26, 08:26

Hi,

The finesse against the 3NT bidder
is certainly the percentage play,
he is more likely to hold AQx, it is not
certain, but more likely.

regarding the bidding:
I think 2H is more than enough, ... and
of course you should have passed partners
double, you were lucky finding partner with
the King of hearts.
And he still seems to trust your 3H openings.

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Posted 2006-December-26, 08:37

err..no offense to the posters above me but I think they're way off. With AQx of trumps people don't lead the ace of hearts, and if they do they don't shift. Maybe if you are playing against zia...

The bidding suggests AQx but the lead is a much much stronger clue.
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Posted 2006-December-26, 08:40

That was my first thought too. But with the King pretty much marked on the right (I know, I know) the Ace won't cost a trick and it does allow you to definitely hold the lead and see what outside suit might be the best souce of tricks.
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Posted 2006-December-26, 10:56

Jlall, on Dec 26 2006, 09:37 AM, said:

err..no offense to the posters above me but I think they're way off. With AQx of trumps people don't lead the ace of hearts, and if they do they don't shift. Maybe if you are playing against zia...

The bidding suggests AQx but the lead is a much much stronger clue.

Proves, that I should never attemp to comment on play,
... I did not look at the lead.
Lets see, how long this will keep me from posting
on similar topics.

I though I write down something about the 3H
bid, ... and just wanted to anser the primary
question as, ... I did hesitate for a couple of seconds.
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Posted 2006-December-26, 11:05

EricK, on Dec 26 2006, 09:40 AM, said:

That was my first thought too. But with the King pretty much marked on the right (I know, I know) the Ace won't cost a trick and it does allow you to definitely hold the lead and see what outside suit might be the best souce of tricks.

yes, yes there was a post on this earlier.

Suppose you were so clever as to give up a tempo and lead the ace of trumps from AQx, risking JT with partner, or stiff K, both unlikely but possible holdings. Also risking Jxx and a void in dummy, or Txx in a void in dummy (dummy never supported hearts). Also if you had a side doubleton you could never get a ruff with your small trump. Ok, fine, you're just that clever.

To your shock dummy hits with KTx and partner follows! Now... you know declarer probably thinks you have Ax... so you can continue your ruse by playing a low trump. You can later get in and pull the trump. Brilliant.

But you now play the DA at trick 2?! This is not the play of a brilliant defender who's made a brilliant (fine line between brilliant and stupid) lead.

Come on guys get real, I know on the forums everyone leads A from AQx of trumps and it's a standard lead, but in the real life it just doesn't happen. And if it did happen the DA would not be played at trick 2.
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Posted 2006-December-26, 11:14

I agree that a lead from AQx is not at all what one would expect here. But then I'm not sure I agree with almost any of the actions taken on this board. When one is playing in that sort of game I am not sure what inferences one can safely draw.
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Posted 2006-December-27, 05:24

Bidding:

South: If you open 3♥ on this, what do you open 2♥ on? Having opened 3♥ which is not everyones cup of tea, partner's double of 3nt MUST be respected. Remember a pre-empt is a one-shot bid.

West: A take-out double of 3♥ looks like the percentage bid. Easier to find a 4-4 spade fit if it exists. 3nt is often based on a running minor suit

North: With this hand I would expect 3nt to make most of the time. To double is asking for trouble.

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Posted 2006-December-27, 22:58

"Come on guys get real, I know on the forums everyone leads A from AQx of trumps and it's a standard lead, but in the real life it just doesn't happen. And if it did happen the DA would not be played at trick 2. "

Uh Justin I have had this lead done to me and I have done it myself in ftf bridge against a slam. It DOES happen. You are probably right about the DA at trick 2.
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Posted 2006-December-28, 00:11

The_Hog, on Dec 27 2006, 11:58 PM, said:

"Come on guys get real, I know on the forums everyone leads A from AQx of trumps and it's a standard lead, but in the real life it just doesn't happen. And if it did happen the DA would not be played at trick 2. "

Uh Justin I have had this lead done to me and I have done it myself in ftf bridge against a slam. It DOES happen.

This is not a slam. This is 4H X, with hearts bid on your RIGHT. Dummy hasn't even suggested 1 heart. You don't need 2 tricks, you need 4 tricks. There is a huge difference.
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Posted 2006-December-28, 06:36

I didn't even notice that the lead was the heart ace. :P
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Posted 2006-December-28, 06:54

When I was reading the first responses I thought huh? No one in their right mind is going to lead the ♥A from AQx on this auction. Then luckily Justin pointed this out already :P
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