[Winstonm]

The reason double is the obvious choice of most is because it is the most flexible and doesn't "force" partner to hold any cards of use. The best result on this deal may well be 4H doubled down 1, and you can't get that from bidding. Who is to say partner wasn't dealt: Jxx, J10xx, xx, xxxx?

[zasanya]

Ty all.I see now that 5♦ is easily is the worst bid if the agreement is “dbl is takeout and P can convert it to penalty.”
This raises another issue.Suppose after I open 1♦, LHO has void/single or even dbltn ♥.and decides to psyche 4♥ with the not unreasonable expectation that I and my P have a ♥ fit.

When op bids 4♥ over my 1♦ there are 4 possibilities.
(1)My P has few points and weak hearts.
(2)My P has few points but they are in ♥
(3)My P has points and weak ♥.
(4)My P has points and strong ♥

I have already announced points.I may have strength in ♥ or I may not have.If I do not have strength and length ♥ I double .But if I have strength in ♥ I pass and simply collect undoubled penalty.
Now suppose I open 1♦ and P has # 2 or #4 type of hand he will not double.If I too have strength in ♥ I too cannot double and op gets away scot free with his psyche when me and my P have game or slam in ♥.If me or my P do dbl then he bids his suit at 4-5 level or redoubles as SOS.The psyche will be effective especially if his P is a passed hand.
Can this be a real danger?Is it possible to guard against this possibility?

[kenberg]

I guess you could experiment with this. The next time that your right hand opponent opens 1D and you hold a stiff heart, you bid 4H. I mentioned on another thread that Rosenberg, in "Bridge, Zia, and Me" speaks of the first time he played with Zia. A high stakes money game and Zia opened 3C on a four card suit. Maybe you too will become famous.

But if you and I are partners, I request that you put that plan on hold.

Ken

[zasanya]

kenberg, on Dec 26 2006, 09:06 AM, said:

I guess you could experiment with this. The next time that your right hand opponent opens 1D and you hold a stiff heart, you bid 4H. I mentioned on another thread that Rosenberg, in "Bridge, Zia, and Me" speaks of the first time he played with Zia. A high stakes money game and Zia opened 3C on a four card suit. Maybe you too will become famous.

But if you and I are partners, I request that you put that plan on hold.

Ken

Yes Sir

[pclayton]

kenberg, on Dec 26 2006, 06:06 AM, said:

I guess you could experiment with this. The next time that your right hand opponent opens 1D and you hold a stiff heart, you bid 4H. I mentioned on another thread that Rosenberg, in "Bridge, Zia, and Me" speaks of the first time he played with Zia. A high stakes money game and Zia opened 3C on a four card suit. Maybe you too will become famous.

But if you and I are partners, I request that you put that plan on hold.

Ken

This reminds me of our NAOP District final this year. At green I opened 3C on Qxxxxx. LHO doubles and Brian raises me on a stiff (!). My RHO competed to 4H on Kxxx and played it there with Dummy's AQx. The field was in 3N.

Great board for us right? No LOL. Dummy had a suit of Axxxx opp Declarers Kx. Both trump and this side suit split 3-3 so the Moysian made 6 ;(

[Winstonm]

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I finally realized that I misread the bidding question. I was thinking that the 1 diamond opening hand was hidden and the hand shown was the responder's hand. I was the one asking about the possibility of bidding 6 diamonds. lol

I will say one thing, this forum was very kind to a beginning poster!

You are only one of the 6000 or so of us who have made the same kind of mistake....

He who is without error, let him cast the first stone.

[Trysalot]

I voted for the X which is definitely to me a reopening X since it is in the balance seat. I would be with the X asking P to bid longest suit while promising support for both unbid suits and a good hand points-wise with shortness in pre-empter's suit and inviting P to convert to penalty if has a trump stack or good trump honors.

Yes it can be risky sometimes when the silent opp has a decent hand and your P has nothing much. That happened to my opps once on the Worldwinner site when my RHO opened 1 heart vulnerable and I bid 4 spades non-vulnerable holding AKQJ10xxx -- xxx xx. The auction went 1 heart 4 spades pass pass X pass pass pass.

I don't remember the other hands except that my partner was void in spades and LHO held all 5 of them to the 9 and the diamond Ace and that my partner had the opener's AK of hearts in which suit I was void and the diamond K. A heart was led which I won, sluffing a club, took the other high heart, sluffing the other club, led a club and ruffed small, played spades from the top, and when I led a small diamond LHO rose with the Ace so I made 5 on the hand.