[jocdelevat]

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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     2♦    your bid



2d is weak
questions:
1.Do you double or bid 2h with this hand?
2. If your bid is 2h how your pard should read your hand>weak or openning hand?

thank you in advance for your advice

[whereagles]

Close between dbl and 2♥, but I think I'll try dbl.

[jillybean]

2♥ - my partner would expect opening points 5♥'s

[neilkaz]

Close between double and 2♥ for me, but I have a really good 3 card ♠ suit, while my ♥ 5 carder is rather poor, and I also have 4♣...hmm..come to think of it, this is less close for me.

I double. .. neilkaz ..

[the hog]

X, not even close. Three places to play and the H suit is too weak to bid.

[jocdelevat]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

- - - 2♦
2♥ Pass Pass 3♦
Pass Pass 3♥ Pass
Pass Pass


this was the board. We missed game. I was upset because my pard pass after my 2h however seems that my bid was wrong, I thought biding over a weak2 will not show a weak hand. I still do not understand the reason of my pard pass even my bid was wrong.

[Echognome]

I think the premise is that you don't preempt over a preempt. So your 2♥ bid (although not my choice as I prefer double, but not a bad choice) should show a decent hand. Your partner has an easy 3♦ bid to show a good raise and should really force to game.

[neilkaz]

Joc, your PD's failure to put this hand into a 4♥ game is awful !

[hrothgar]

I prefer double to 2♥, however, reasonable people can differ about this.

The big issue is your partner's failure to advance

[awm]

There seems to be some confusion about this among B/I players. I'll try to make it clear:

An overcall at the two-level or above shows a good hand (if not a jump). Usually this is at least opening values. If partner has a hand that can envision game opposite an opener, then he should definitely bid! Partner's continuations (especially continuations other than a single raise) are constructive and show reasonable hands as well.

An overcall at the one-level can be a good hand. While some fairly light hands with good suits qualify, there's nothing stopping you from overcalling with 15-16 high card points. In general partner should bid if he can envision game opposite such a maximum.

On the hand in question, west has overcalled at the two-level. This usually shows opening values (sure we all overcall a bit light with six good hearts, but the point is that the overcall is not a weak bid by any means). East has a clear game force opposite such a call.

I personally like the 2♥ call for two reasons. One is that I've found that doubling a minor with a two-card discrepancy in the majors is often a recipe for reaching the wrong major fit or failing to compete the hand to the right level. Another is that if LHO raises to 3♦ I can potentially balance with a double after overcalling 2♥, which describes my shape perfectly (although perhaps a bit light on values with this particular hand), whereas if I start with double and LHO raises my only balancing call will be to double again (angling for that 4-3 spade fit again) since bidding 3♥ would show a better hand and suit.

[HeartA]

jocdelevat, on Dec 23 2006, 02:37 PM, said:

this was the board. We missed game. I was upset because my pard pass after my 2h however seems that my bid was wrong, I thought biding over a weak2 will not show a weak hand. I still do not understand the reason of my pard pass even my bid was wrong.

You were not wrong, your pd was. As others said, it's close between dbl and 2H, and I might choose 2H too. With 13 count and 4-card support, to pass your 2H is a crime. Yes, DK might be completely waste and 4-3-3-3 is not great, but still he owed you a 3H raise (if not 3D for stronger raise).

[neilkaz]

Seriously.. I overcall aggressively vs weak 2's and it has resulted in a PD or 2 leaving me, but with responder's hand, if you make the K of ♦ a low spot, I'd still put tha hand into game opposite anything I could bid 2♥ with here.

BTW, opener with 8♦ deserves a WIMP award for only opening 2♦...in 3rd seat I'd open 4 or even 5 at this fav vul.