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1D-1M-2M-relay?

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Posted 2006-December-21, 23:57

Suppose you play precision, so 1D shows 11-15 and 2M shows 3/4 card support. Could anyone please recommend a good relay strucutre for
1D-1H-2H-2S
1D-1S-2S-2N?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 2006-December-22, 00:36

Please specify the minimum length for your 1 opening--it can affect the answer significantly.
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Posted 2006-December-22, 03:58

What do you want to know exactly? 3M or 4M, shortness, length in other suits,...? It's necessary to know what the purpose of the relays are before constructing a scheme. Full relays will probably be quite hard (depending on your Diamond length after 1D openings, and if 1D-1H-1S is always bid, even with support).
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Posted 2006-December-22, 05:01

For whatever it's worth, here's what Josh and I play:

1-1-2:
... 2 = GF relay
...... 2NT = short spades, 3 only
...... 3 = short diams, 3 only
...... 3 = short clubs, 3 only
...... 3 = 4, no singleton or void
...... 3 = 4, 0-1
...... 3N = 4, 0-1
...... 4 = 4, 0-1
... 2NT = INV "relay" (NF)
...... Pass = minimum, 3 only
...... 3 = max, short spades, 3 only
...... 3 = max, short diams, 3 only
...... 3 = minimum, 4
...... 3 = max, short clubs, 3 only
...... 4 = max, 4 (usually don't show shortage here)

1-1-2:
... 2N = INV "relay" (NF)
...... Pass = minimum, 3 only
...... 3 = max, short hearts, 3 only
...... 3 = max, short diams, 3 only
...... 3 = max, short clubs, 3 only
...... 3 = minimum, 4
...... 4 = max, 4 (usually don't show shortage here)
... 3 = GF relay
...... 3 = short hearts, 3 only
...... 3 = short diams, 3 only
...... 3 = no singleton or void, 4
...... 3NT = short clubs, 3 only
...... 4 = 0-1 and 4
...... 4 = 0-1 and 4
...... 4 = 0-1 and 4

Of course, our 1 is normally balanced or three-suited, could be short diamonds but will not be a diamond one-suiter (so no 6+ hands, also no 5cMs). The patterns here are that bidding 3M always shows four cards and a balanced hand, and otherwise we show high/middle/low shortage in that order (same as symmetric relay typically). We're not trying to get opener's full pattern here (although this is sometimes possible especially after a three-trump raise); normally our goals are to determine number of trumps and location of short/weak suit. If we were to add another relay after the bids showing "shortage, three trumps" I think the priority would be distinguishing small doubleton vs. singleton vs. void. We also like maintaining a NF 2NT bid by responder, so we use the lowest suit as the relay.
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Posted 2006-December-22, 07:12

1D shows 2+. As I play 14-16 NT, so 2M raise essentially shows 11-13 HCP.
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Posted 2006-December-22, 08:45

If you want something easy but useful, then just use step 1=3 trumps min, step 2=3 trumps max, step 3=4 trumps min, step 4=4 trumps max.

I play some more complicated things as well but don't have time to write it up right now.
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