BBO Discussion Forums: Nasty response to 2NT opener - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Nasty response to 2NT opener

Poll: What is your bid? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid?

  1. 3 spades (for minors) (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  2. 3NT (28 votes [93.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 93.33%

  3. 5 diamonds (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  4. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   xx1943 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 492
  • Joined: 2004-March-11

Posted 2006-December-19, 10:21

After you and WEST passed, your partner opens 2NT (20-22 HCP; balanced or semibalanced), East passes and it is your bid

Scoring: IMP

pass pass 2NT pass
????

Now what?

Imho the normal reaction is 3NT. No slam in sight and semibalanced hand with a nice 6-carder. 25-26 HCP between the 2 hands. 3NT should be made more often than 5 ♦ in the long run.

What about other bids?
3♣ is puppet, you'll get no information about minors.
3♦ is xfer to hearts
3♠? How do you treat this feature? With which hands you aplly it and what or openers answers?
4♦ is Xfer to hearts, isn't it? But what is the difference betwen 3 or 4 ♦??

This was the full hand. 3Nt is down after ♥-lead and 5♦ is made.
Just bad luck or bad bidding?
Scoring: IMP

Btw. What do you think the answering structure after 2NT.
Is this hand another argument for playing a strong-club-system?

Looking forward to hear your opinions.

Al
♥♥♥ Play Bridge for fun and entertainment and to meet nice people. ♥♥♥
♠♥♠ BAD bidding may be succesful due to excellent play, but not vice versa. ♦♣♦
Teaching in the BIL TUE 8:00am CET.

Lessons available. For INFO look here: Play bridge with Al
0

#2 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2006-December-19, 10:28

I guess it's rather bad luck... Even when playing a strong ♣ system, you don't know if ♥ will split that badly. It's pretty automatic to play 3NT, since you guess 6 ♦ tricks + some values partner has will get your total up to 9 tricks pretty easy. Going for a ♦ contract without a good reason seems masterminding...
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#3 User is offline   EricK 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,303
  • Joined: 2003-February-14
  • Location:England

Posted 2006-December-19, 10:28

I think bidding 3NT is better than looking for 5♦. Swap the EW hands, for instance, and I doubt they'd have found the ♥ lead!

If, however, 3♣ asks for a 5 card major, you might try that and then bid 3NT if partner doesn't have 5♥.
0

#4 User is offline   kenrexford 

  • Brain Farts and Actual Farts Increasing with Age
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,586
  • Joined: 2005-September-21
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Lima, Allen County, North-West-Central Ohio, USA
  • Interests:www.limadbc.blogspot.com editor/contributor

Posted 2006-December-19, 11:16

Many things would be an argument for a strong club system, to put on the "for" side of the column. Other things go on the "against" side, of course.

This is also assuming, of course, that strong 1♣ folks will end up in some contract other than 3NT...

For that matter, 5♦ is not any easy contract either, on a heart lead. If you pull trumps, you cannot set up a pitch in time. If you duck, planning to ruff, you have some transportation problems.
"Gibberish in, gibberish out. A trial judge, three sets of lawyers, and now three appellate judges cannot agree on what this law means. And we ask police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers, and citizens to enforce or abide by it? The legislature continues to write unreadable statutes. Gibberish should not be enforced as law."

-P.J. Painter.
0

#5 Guest_Jlall_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 2006-December-19, 11:17

3N is very normal.
0

#6 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2006-December-19, 12:05

I wouldn't get too worked up about this one. A strong club would get you to 5♦, but even thats not clear.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#7 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2006-December-19, 12:14

Obvious 3NT response. You just had the usual 1% bad luck when it mattered B)
0

#8 User is offline   keylime 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: FD TEAM
  • Posts: 2,735
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Nashville, TN
  • Interests:Motorsports, cricket, disc golf, and of course - bridge. :-)

Posted 2006-December-19, 12:29

Something else to consider is if opening a strong club how tricky it'll be to get into the right strain of contract after 1C (2H) X (3H).

I think it's easy to result when something that is admittedly anti-percentage happened.
"Champions aren't made in gyms, champions are made from something they have deep inside them - a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill. " - M. Ali
0

#9 User is offline   neilkaz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,568
  • Joined: 2006-June-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Barrington IL USA
  • Interests:Backgammon, Bridge, Hockey

Posted 2006-December-19, 14:53

Very clear 3NT response for me.

Even if you have some method to progress towards 5♦ and you bid it, can you be sure that it is better than 3NT and if you don't get to 5♦ and stop in 3NT after a bid, you've given more info to the opps for defence/lead.
0

#10 User is offline   Halo 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 875
  • Joined: 2006-June-08

Posted 2006-December-19, 17:34

Relieved to see I joined a 100% vote.
0

#11 User is offline   dake50 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,211
  • Joined: 2006-April-22

Posted 2006-December-19, 23:00

Response scheme has to show 6-suit somehow. Potential for 3 length tricks cannot be missed. Here 9hcp =3 long tricks + 5hcp = near slam.
0
Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users