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Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 Pass  1NT   Pass  2♣
 Pass  2♦  Pass ?

How you continue?
Do you bid 4nt instead of 2c?

[Echognome]

Gadget hand. Some people have methods for these hands in particular. (i.e. any 4441, then later show strength) With no methods, I'm going to bid 3♣ and pretend I'm 4=1=3=5 or 4=0=4=5. If opener rebids 3♦ I will bid 4♥ splinter. If he bids 3NT, then I will pass. If he bids 3♥ (presumably stopper showing), I will bid 3NT. If he bids 3♠, then I will really be stuck. I will probably then bid 5♣.

[neilkaz]

Echognome, on Dec 17 2006, 11:29 PM, said:

Gadget hand.  Some people have methods for these hands in particular.  (i.e. any 4441, then later show strength)  With no methods, I'm going to bid 3♣ and pretend I'm 4=1=3=5 or 4=0=4=5.  If opener rebids 3♦ I will bid 4♥ splinter.  If he bids 3NT, then I will pass.  If he bids 3♥ (presumably stopper showing), I will bid 3NT.  If he bids 3♠, then I will really be stuck. I will probably then bid 5♣.

We agree but since 3♣ is 100% GF, I slow the bidding down after 3♠ with 4♣ since a slam in ♣ may be possible.

Edit.. whereagles is correct in that 3♦ followed by 4♣ is probably a better method since bidding and rebidding ♣ really implies more than a 4 carder and ♦ could be lost.

Some people play that after 1NT a direct 3♥ shows this hand and it is perfect for this hand which wants to play a slam in any minor if no 44 ♠ fit is found, but which can give up other meanings to 3♥ or be wrong at times.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

since this is a hand in the beginners forum,
I would suggest 3NT.
You have at most 32HCP between you, and
it will be a thin slam, ... and to make 6NT
a successfull bet, you need highcard strength.

You have 8 card fit in a minor, but without
special agreements, you have no simple
way to discover the fit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

I would bid 3♦ and follow-up with 4♣ (or 6♣ if pard supports my diamonds).

3NT has a lot to be said for, though.