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Pard Doubles How to develop the auction

#1 User is offline   roghog 

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Posted 2006-December-12, 17:58

Scoring: IMP

You-(LHO)-Pard-(RHO)
Pass-(1♦)-Dbl-(Pass)
1♠-(Pass)-2♥-(Pass)
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Your bid.

What agreements do you have in this sort of auction?
What sort of hand should bid 2♠, and which bids are forcing?
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Posted 2006-December-12, 19:08

My two cents:

I'm not sure anything here either is or should be forcing but it seems to me that 2NT would show a more or less balanced hand with a scattering of values, and it would be my call. I suppose a cue is forcing (no kidding) but I am not sure what it would show other than being forcing. Some sort of values w/o a diamond stop probably, but maybe a maximum bid with a heart fit. I would expect the former. Here, Qxx is not much of a stop but with all missing values either across the table or on your left it will probably do so 2N seems right.

I have no idea if this is at all standard, but it's what I would do. I see this as "make the call that seems right" rather than as a conventional agreement situation.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 19:21

I play that partner's bid shows in the 17 - 20 point range, ELC doesn't apply.

I have a max 1♠ call, but I agree with it since my ♦ holding is rather tenuous opposite short ♦'s. Once pard turns up with a big one suited hand, my ♦Q doesn't rate to be so bad, since pard doesn't automatically have short ♦'s.

What's forcing here? 2♠ (I'd say no), 2N (probably no), 3♥ (definitely no), which leaves 3♦, so thats what I'll bid.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 23:57

It's tough. I will probably bid 2NT or 3NT, want to be declarer.
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Posted 2006-December-13, 02:27

A limited hand (0-8 or similar) can never force. However, it is only common sense that pd can't pass our cuebid. 2♥ should NOT be ELC-- that would be 2♣! And as pd has 17-20 pts as Phil pointed out (and that's std treatment), we want to be in game. Our diamond stop is far from delighting, so 3♦ is by far the best bid.
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Posted 2006-December-13, 07:08

roghog, on Dec 12 2006, 06:58 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

You-(LHO)-Pard-(RHO)
Pass-(1♦)-Dbl-(Pass)
1♠-(Pass)-2♥-(Pass)
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Your bid.

What agreements do you have in this sort of auction?
What sort of hand should bid 2♠, and which bids are forcing?

I might have responded 2♠ to begin with. With 4♠ I and 8 hcp, I would have responded 1♠ but with 8 hcp and 5 card spade suit I usually jump one level. The major problem is the diamond Queen might not be pulling its full weight. Still, I would have bid 2♠.

Over 1♠, 2♥ is NOT forcing, but I could have xxx xx xxxxx xxx, and partner is showing a good hand. If partner wanted to force, he could have jumped to 3♥ or cue-bid 2♦. I will bid 3♦ because if partner has Kx of diamonds, NT will play better from his side. I might end up in 4♥ if he bids 3♠ or 3♥ now.

As for what is forcing by me over 2♥, nothing at the two level. So 3♦ is probably the best forcing bid availalbe (and will find out what I need to know anyway about ♦ stopper).
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Posted 2006-December-13, 09:30

Pard should have a GOSH and I got some extras. I'll bid 3♦. If pard bids 3♠, I'll be ok. I trust him to bid 3♥ or 3NT on

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Posted 2006-December-13, 09:53

I don't think anything other than 3♦, 3♠ and 4♣(?) is forcing. But maybe it depends on your style of t/o doubles. I prefer to double with flexible hands only. If partner's bidding does not suggest any flexibility but merely a strong hand with hearts, a case could be made for 2NT and/or 3♣ being forcing.

If 2NT is forcing I bid that to save some space, but without that agreement I bid 3♦. 3♦ makes it difficult to reach 3NT but we probably belong in 4♠ or maybe 4♥.
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Posted 2006-December-13, 20:39

I certainly am about at the top of my range for a 1♠ bid, so here I bid 3♦ showing my max, game interest etc, and if PD bids 3NT my queen may be of use for an extra stopper.
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