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p-p-5♠-X-All pass
Down two=300 pts=less percents than 920.
Assume you play take-out doubles in passout seat. Would you use it?
Would you raise to slam with the North hand? And @ second turn?
Any other feelings?
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Missed slam what do you think of the bidding?
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Posted 2006-December-10, 12:40
4♠-p-p-5♣
p-p-5♠-X-All pass
Down two=300 pts=less percents than 920.
Assume you play take-out doubles in passout seat. Would you use it?
Would you raise to slam with the North hand? And @ second turn?
Any other feelings?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
George Carlin
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Posted 2006-December-10, 12:43
Seems normal... maybe pulling out the dbl to 6♣, but at this level all is a bit of a guess.
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Posted 2006-December-10, 13:02
It was a well timed pre-empt and sometimes you are going to lose out to those. Even so, I think the North hand is a raise to 6♣. Apart from the times it is cold, there will also be times when it makes because of the wrong lead (eg 7♣ 3♦ 2♠ ruffs when a ♥ lead through the King would defeat it)
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Posted 2006-December-10, 13:08
It's not very nice, but I think I'd raise to 6♣ directly on the north hand.
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Posted 2006-December-10, 13:17
Tough call. I would pass (forcing) as South the second time around, which would let North raise to slam.
Raising to 6C directly looks good when you see all of the cards, but I don't think I would do it at the table.
As far as the takeout double, unless I am reading the positions wrong, it makes no sense.
Peter
Raising to 6C directly looks good when you see all of the cards, but I don't think I would do it at the table.
As far as the takeout double, unless I am reading the positions wrong, it makes no sense.
Peter
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Posted 2006-December-10, 18:49
EricK, on Dec 10 2006, 02:02 PM, said:
Even so, I think the North hand is a raise to 6♣.
Agree. North should raise 5C to 6C. After South's double, to pull to 6C was obvious, imo.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 13:30
With a ♠ void, great trump support and 2 side Kings I would have raised to 6♣ straight away and now I will pull the double to 6♣.
I hope that I am not " resulting" the hand, but almost anytime I have been void in trumps and not bid on when I felt it was close, I was wrong.
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I hope that I am not " resulting" the hand, but almost anytime I have been void in trumps and not bid on when I felt it was close, I was wrong.
.. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2006-December-11, 13:58
I think souths 5C bid is very wrong, but it certainly should have worked here.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 15:15
Is it? Should South just have passed?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 15:34
gwnn, on Dec 11 2006, 04:15 PM, said:
Is it? Should South just have passed?
I think south has a double. With 2 little spades and tons of defense and not the greatest club suit and a relatively balanced hand I would much prefer to defend on a hand like this than declare at the 5 level unless partner can pull my double (which he will only do with a distributional hand that has the expectation of making). Also we may want to play in diamonds or possibly even hearts rather than clubs. 5C could work but I think it's anti-percentage.
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