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Balance? Red vs White at IMPs

#1 User is offline   cherdano 

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Posted 2006-December-10, 02:35

Scoring: IMP

(1♣*)-P-(1♥)-1N
(P)-P-(2♥)-P
(P)-?

1♣ was 2+. 1N by partner was natural. Do you balance? If so, how?
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  Posted 2006-December-10, 05:57

Yes; I'll try 2NT. I passed 1NT so this is scrambling, not lebensohl.

I should mention that I might prefer double (pulling 2♠ to 2NT if p bids that) as partner might pass 2♥x for what may be a nice result. What I'm worried about if I double is the opponents competing to 3♥ and partner bidding 3♠ over the top of that.

Maybe I'm being paranoid for no good reason.
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Posted 2006-December-10, 07:05

Pass. There's a reasonable chance opps missed their 44 spade fit to play in the 52 heart fit.
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Posted 2006-December-10, 07:36

Pass at IMP's. (I would bid 2NT at MP')

Maybe it is even better to pass (or DBL) at MP's.
Distributions could well be something like:
RHO: 4=1=4=4
LHO: 3=6=3=1
CHO: 4=4=2=3
We: 2=2=4=5
If opps open 1D with 4=4 minors then something like:
RHO: 4=1=3=5
LHO: 3=6=3=1
CHO: 4=4=3=2
We: 2=2=4=5
If opps play WJS 4-7 and open 1D with 4=4 minors then something like:
RHO: 3=1=4=5
LHO: 4=6=2=1
CHO: 4=4=3=2
We: 2=2=4=5
If opps play WJS 4-7 and open 1D with 4=5 minors then something like:
RHO: 4=1=3=5
LHO: 4=6=2=1
CHO: 3=4=4=2
We: 2=2=4=5

=> It's not sure that we have a fit and a 9-card fit is even less sure.
I pass at IMP's.
At MP's it seems best to pass or to DBL (and bid 3C if partner would bid 2S).
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Posted 2006-December-10, 14:38

2NT. Hope partner likes C or has D helped by JTxx.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 18:42

I am not sure what is right but if you balance, I think double is better. If partner has 4 good hearts, defending 2H is a lot better (and safer) than playing 3m I would think. I don't think partner can bid 3S over 3H.
(P.S.: I am still hoping for a few more replies...)
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Posted 2006-December-11, 18:47

I would pass...too much danger and not enough chance of a double partscore swing to justify the risk imo.
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Posted 2006-December-11, 18:47

cherdano, on Dec 11 2006, 07:42 PM, said:

I am not sure what is right but if you balance, I think double is better. If partner has 4 good hearts, defending 2H is a lot better (and safer) than playing 3m I would think. I don't think partner can bid 3S over 3H.
(P.S.: I am still hoping for a few more replies...)

You may be correct but this looks pretty deep to me. 2nt now minors I hope. Read somewhere the Italians won a zillion imps by really fighting for partscores at imps over the years. Pass seems pretty close here at this vul though.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 00:15

The opps probably have 16 cards in the majors and you probably have 16 in the minors so I think this is a very close decision between pass and 2NT for minors.

3m may be cold, or may be X'd and set only 1 (no disaster if 2♥ makes as is likely then) or may make doubled for a huge score. Other times opener will carry on to 3♥ and maybe -1.

Very close.. here for me and I don't fault a pass or a bid .. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2006-December-12, 01:12

I would pass.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 01:53

If I look at a natural 1 NT bid, how would I see double fro pd now?
Cardshowing? Penalty? Take out?
I don´t know, I hope all the doublers know, what their partners think.
If you are on the same wavelength with your pd, what a double will show now, this would be my preference. But it will be too risky for me, so 2 NT is fine.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 03:29

Codo, on Dec 12 2006, 09:53 AM, said:

If I look at a natural 1 NT bid, how would I see double fro pd now?
Cardshowing? Penalty? Take out?
I don´t know, I hope all the doublers know, what their partners think.

You can sleep well, Codo, I am 1000% sure all of my semi+regular BBF partners would understand double as takeout.
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Posted 2006-December-12, 05:55

Hi,

pass.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2006-December-12, 08:50

I pass.

I expect partner to hold 4♠, 3+♥ and 2+ in each minor. I'm not sure we have a fit anywhere and opps may not have one either. But if partner has some 15+ HCP opps don't have the majority of points.
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