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Posted 2006-December-04, 04:18
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Posted 2006-December-04, 04:29
Either double or 4♠, depending on what kind of hands my failure to preempt denied.
There was a similar problem in the Dutch IMP magazine of December. A lot of panelists argued that 4♠ shows this hand. Based on the idea that they would always preempt with long spades. Double would, accordingly, show 4045/4054, or maybe four spades and seven diamonds. I think I agree with that.
Some (including Sabine Auken) prefered double since 4♠ could be something like
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If we play Muiderberg I agree with this since the hand shown could have opened 2♠ or at least it's close (in practice, it was opened 2♠ at one table where they played Polish two-openings while passed at the other table where they played standard).
There was a similar problem in the Dutch IMP magazine of December. A lot of panelists argued that 4♠ shows this hand. Based on the idea that they would always preempt with long spades. Double would, accordingly, show 4045/4054, or maybe four spades and seven diamonds. I think I agree with that.
Some (including Sabine Auken) prefered double since 4♠ could be something like
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Axxx
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If we play Muiderberg I agree with this since the hand shown could have opened 2♠ or at least it's close (in practice, it was opened 2♠ at one table where they played Polish two-openings while passed at the other table where they played standard).
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Posted 2006-December-04, 04:35
Hi,
I am tempted to bid, but having looked at
the vulnerability, i.e. being red vs. green, I
pass.
If I bid, I bid 4S.
With kind regards
Marlowe
I am tempted to bid, but having looked at
the vulnerability, i.e. being red vs. green, I
pass.
If I bid, I bid 4S.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2006-December-04, 05:14
Luckily I am a passed hand and can bid 4S happily.
Now, the real question is what to do when I'm doubled...
Now, the real question is what to do when I'm doubled...
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Posted 2006-December-04, 06:02
4S. 5D if doubled!
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Posted 2006-December-04, 06:28
2♥ WTP?
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Posted 2006-December-04, 06:41
Double, don't see a reason to bid a poor 5 card suit when I have a great 6 card suit...
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Posted 2006-December-04, 09:01
I'd pass at these colors, perhaps I am getting too old since common theory is to always bid 4S over 4H whenever reasonable. Sometimes I'm going to lose a double game swing which is scary, but it seems like I have decent defense and we might well beat them when we can't make anything. Or we might just go for a telephone number by bidding at red/white and we're going to have to guess what to do when Xed, but even if we run it's not going to be pretty. -1100 is as real a possibility as a double game swing. It seems to me like there is a lot of risk in both passing and bidding, but my gut says passing has a higher expected value.
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:30
Jlall, on Dec 4 2006, 07:01 AM, said:
I'd pass at these colors, perhaps I am getting too old...
Sucks to be 20 doesn't it?
I'd pass too.
Of course I don't pass as dealer
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Posted 2006-December-04, 12:48
Why did I pass as dealer? Now I have to pass.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 07:49
I dunno why you passed as dealer, maybe you were thinking about your sandwich. The real fact is you did hehe.
I already know Ron will run to 5♦ if doubled, and it was doubled, others will stay or run?
I already know Ron will run to 5♦ if doubled, and it was doubled, others will stay or run?
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Posted 2006-December-05, 07:52
Stay. I don't think I can have a pure spade hand for this action, so I'll hope partner pulls when it's right.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 09:19
Hi everyone
pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed?
bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call.
Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call?
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed?
bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call.
Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call?
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
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Posted 2006-December-05, 09:53
Robert, on Dec 5 2006, 10:19 AM, said:
Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call?
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
Yes, if I were white/red I would bid.
I don't really understand your second question here.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 10:49
Robert, on Dec 5 2006, 07:19 AM, said:
Hi everyone
pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed?
bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call.
Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call?
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed?
bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call.
Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call?
What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on?
Regards,
Robert
In one of my regular partnerships, all preempts are based on LTC. This is a 5 1/2 loser hand. Red on white we would open it 3♦. At green its a 4♦ opener. At equal its a tweener.
It doesn't make taking the push to 4♠ any easier of course. At other colors, say white / red, I can see a high level ♦ preempt followed by a 4♠ call.
(Good to see this isn't the BI section
I hate to offend people)
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Posted 2006-December-05, 12:25
LTC is based on a known fit. The books on LTC recommend you do not use it to determine opening prempts. Many do though.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 14:04
4♠ has an advantage to which no one seems to have made a direct reference as yet.... perhaps because the validity of the point depends on inferences based on opening philosophies.
There is a large school of thought that would argue that balancing 4♠ guarantees a 2-suiter: with the minor being as good as or better than the ♠ suit. After all, one is not going to be balancing 4♠ on a hand that is 5332 or the like, nor on a 6 card suit that was too weak to open 2♠. This school would require a pass on a 6=1=3=3 with weak ♠s for example, but that seems a fair price to pay for the assurance that partner with, say, 2=2=(54) can pull to 4N over 4♠.
If I were in that sort of partnership, I'd be far more inclined to balance. Otherwise, colour me yellow, and I pass.
There is a large school of thought that would argue that balancing 4♠ guarantees a 2-suiter: with the minor being as good as or better than the ♠ suit. After all, one is not going to be balancing 4♠ on a hand that is 5332 or the like, nor on a 6 card suit that was too weak to open 2♠. This school would require a pass on a 6=1=3=3 with weak ♠s for example, but that seems a fair price to pay for the assurance that partner with, say, 2=2=(54) can pull to 4N over 4♠.
If I were in that sort of partnership, I'd be far more inclined to balance. Otherwise, colour me yellow, and I pass.
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