[DWM]

Scoring: IMP

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Whats your plan on this one after Partner opens a wk 2 in Hearts?

If you enquire he has a poor suit and 6/7 points.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

4H.

Try to construct a hand for partner with the
information you got from the enquiry, and
you will fairly fast see, that you require
fairly specifc cards to make 6H a good bed.

Maybe 4S is better, but I know about a 9 card
heart fit, and I wont look for another on.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[DWM]

Slam was never in my thoughts.

I was more thinking of either 3H, 4H or 4S.

[P_Marlowe]

DWM, on Dec 1 2006, 08:12 AM, said:

Slam was never in my thoughts.

I was more thinking of either 3H, 4H or 4S.

Ok, then 4H.

You wanna play game, your side has
at most 3 top looser, and you have a
source of tricks, i.e. game will be at worst
on a finess.

And the only question is, which suit you
set as trumps.
It is usually a good idea, to make the
long suit of the weak hand the trump suit.
This will minimize certain communication
problems you may encounter.

Besides, although you have a 7 card suit,
you will be hard pressed to find out, if partner
has a singel / double or a 3 card spade suit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[neilkaz]

I'll take my shot at 4♥ and hope that PD can cover 1 of my possible losers or that the missing ♠ king is not problem.

[hrothgar]

Personally, I hope to end up in the right contract...

I'm going make one try at slam and bid 2♠, natural and forcing. with luck, partner will be able to support Spades. If not, I'll bid 4♥ over any rebid.

[neilkaz]

hrothgar, on Dec 1 2006, 07:23 AM, said:

Personally, I hope to end up in the right contract...

I'm going make one try at slam and bid 2♠, natural and forcing. with luck, partner will be able to support Spades. If not, I'll bid 4♥ over any rebid.

I believe that the original poster allready stated that he inquired, I presume thru Ogust, and the 2♥ opener has a weak suit and 6-7 HCP.

Again, I ask everyone when starting a bidding thread to please be a bit more specific about what you are playing !

We have lots of talent here, and from many parts of the world, but time and effort can be wasted if people don't have all the specifics.

[hrothgar]

neilkaz, on Dec 1 2006, 04:44 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Dec 1 2006, 07:23 AM, said:

Personally, I hope to end up in the right contract...

I'm going make one try at slam and bid 2♠, natural and forcing.  with luck, partner will be able to support Spades.  If not, I'll bid 4♥ over any rebid.

I believe that the original poster allready stated that he inquired, I presume thru Ogust, and the 2♥ opener has a weak suit and 6-7 HCP.

I'm well aware that the original poster started with an OGUST sequence.
I am simply stating that that would not have been my choice.

I can construct a few hands where slam seems reasonable. Most of these require a double fit in Hearts and Spade along with the Ace of Diamonds.

xxx
Kxxxxx
Ax
xxx

I already KNOW that partner has a bad Heart suit, so why am I bothering with OGUST? It doesn't give me any new information. A spade fit... Thats information I can use.

[neilkaz]

Hrothgar, my point about the original thread starters here being more specific about what their bids mean isn't directed at you, nor towards your thoughtful post.

I agree with you completely and would also start with 2♠ since slam is possible opposite just the right hand. However, not everyone plays 2♠ as forcing. (I play RONF and strictly but not all do).

Perhaps the intentions of the Ogust response were to find out if the opener had a good hand, ie a near max in HCP ?

.. neilkaz ..

[DWM]

My thoughts on bidding Ogust was to hope for a bad suit good points reply (2♥) and then bid spades.

I still cannot make a hand that would open week in first seat that has all the covers needed to stop the hand requiring a finesse to make slam.

I did not mention our systems as they are very basic at the moment and am interested to here what people may suggest I should add to our system.

When I looked at my hand I could see 5 losers, it is a fairly safe bet that P could cover the heart loser. Am I being pessimistic in thinking that he could not cover any others (even knowing he may have 6-7 points, or even 5 on a sunny day)?

We used to use the 2NT bid to ask where outside values lay, is there a good way of getting both this and Ogust into a system?

[pclayton]

4♥. I'm not going to Ogust this hand. The best hand I can think of: ♠Kx, ♥KJxxxx, ♦Ax, ♣xxx is an opening 1 bid, unless you are in the Cayne camp.

I'm a little concerned about the opps taking a sac. 3♠ fitted is possible, but I don;t think pard would have the right information, and I don't the opps to stick in a 4♣/4♦ call.

4♠ doesn't make any sense. Unless partner opens really bad weak 2's, all 4♠ accomplishes is making the ♠K a possible loser.