[at1839]

East dealer. I was dealt J AJ AKTxxxxx KJ.

pass - 1♦ - 2♥ - 3♥ - pass

What to bid now as south ? Ty in advance

Paolo, at1839

[hrothgar]

I would bid 3N

AJ isn't the world's greatest stopper, but it is a stopper.

(Partner's failure to make a negative double is a bit troubling)

[mike777]

4H rkc for D.

[HeartA]

mike777, on Nov 11 2006, 05:26 PM, said:

4H rkc for D.

I bet not many players would understand that.

I would think 3H guarantees another bid, so I bid 4D now.

[pbleighton]

Taking 3H as a limit raise in diamonds, I bid 5D.

On a more optimistic day, I cue 4H.

Peter

[Winstonm]

RKCB - whatever the agreement.

[neilkaz]

Winstonm, on Nov 11 2006, 06:46 PM, said:

RKCB - whatever the agreement.

We agree that this hand has great slam potential.

[hawk_eye]

I take 3H as GF, denying 4+ spades, 5+ clubs, good ♥ stopper and implying ♦ fit (what shall partner do with 3424 or 3334 shape).
Anyway small slem is certain (unless we miss 2 keycards) and grand is near..
I´m afraid 4NT rebid could be undestood by partner as quantitative (18-19 bal), so I´m a 4D bidder. Then after 4H or 4S - RKCB, after 5C - 6D, after 5D - pass (partner should cuebid ace if he has any).

[dank]

Justin's right, 4NT Keycard is the right call.

I would not bid 4♦ here even if it "should" be forcing: from partner's point of view it looks like 2 quick heart losers in a minimum hand, doesn't it? So 4♦ is not forcing and would be a disaster if partner passes.

[at1839]

Ouch, I almost forgot to have that message submitted ...

Well ty all for comments. Here the full story.

pass 1♦ 2♥ 3♥
pass 4♥ pass 4♥
pass 4nt pass 5♥
pass 7♦ dbl pass
pass rdbl pass pass pass

For sure 3♥ pass 4nt would be better, at least looking at result LOL
Actually I bid 4♥ ... after ptner's 4♥ I realized I was NOT so smart, now how to guess between 6 and 7♦ ?

After some buzzling I hoped ptner wd answer 4nt as rkc for ♦
Or at worst for nothing

Ptner ... well look at full board now, ptner was dealt

AKQT K J8 T98762

Disaster, but we enjoyed anyway

Paolo, at1839

[cherdano]

at1839, on Nov 15 2006, 09:26 PM, said:

Ptner ... well look at full board now, ptner was dealt

AKQT K J8 T98762

Disaster, but we enjoyed anyway

Paolo, at1839

I have a suggestion for you guys. Play double of 2H artificially, as showing 4 spades, a bit more than sound responding values, and somewhat of a takeout shape. It is called 'negative double'...

[Codo]

Hi Arend,

this is the SAYC and 2/1 area, so why do you suggest some widely unknown conventions to solve a bidding problem?

These lost souls are here to get real help....

[pclayton]

Codo, on Nov 16 2006, 07:18 AM, said:

Hi Arend,

this is the SAYC and 2/1 area, so why do you suggest some widely unknown conventions to solve a bidding problem?

These lost souls are here to get real help....

Jeez, now theyre going to tell us that we shouldn't be playing 2 of a major as a response to 1N as a signoff.

[Strangway]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned a 3S call. Now you can see if partner is going to qbid 4c (probably).

After a 3S slam try, and a 4C qbid, 4d has absolutely got to be rkc.

If partner does not make a qbid but jumps to 5d to show extras, you probably settle for bidding 6d.

If partner bids 4d over the 3s call (non-forcing), it is a decision to try for slam with a 4H Qbid, or just raising to 5d. I'd probably Q the heart myself...now it's a question of whether this 4H bid is rkc or not...after a signoff attempt by partner, I would say better to play it as a Q bid looking for the spade control.

Another question is whether partner must qbid 4c with a minimum over the 3s Q.

[Strangway]

Opps, if partner jumps to 5d you must assume he or she does not have an ace i think and pass.