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I am curious (not that I play ACBL tourneys) does this mean that ACBL get a ratngs system, but not the rest of BBO or am I missing the point here
what is advantage of ACBL Stratified Games just curious
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Posted 2006-November-19, 06:20
"I am curious (not that I play ACBL tourneys) does this mean that ACBL get a ratngs system, but not the rest of BBO or am I missing the point here"
The ACBL already has a rating system, which is cumulative masterpoints. The issue is whether to use that system in ACBL-sponsored BBO tournaments either with stratification or flighting. Currently, these tournaments ignore the rating.
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The ACBL already has a rating system, which is cumulative masterpoints. The issue is whether to use that system in ACBL-sponsored BBO tournaments either with stratification or flighting. Currently, these tournaments ignore the rating.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 09:40
The acbl has always had a rating systems based on masterpoints and BBO has had a rating system based on playing in $$$ tournaments. Why not let free tournaments give points also? Other than that Fred assigns stars.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 11:04
We could include dodgy points as well. The rating system becomes even more meaningless than it is now , if that is possible.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 11:46
uday, on Nov 18 2006, 11:13 PM, said:
If we flight, i'll make sure playing up is an option
hmmm... don't really have a good footing for my comment, as i don't play acbl tournaments (but i had kibbed a few when it was still allowed). It strikes me that playing up might not have the desired effect, in a sense. There are a lot of people with overly high opinion of their game on BBO that will invariably try to play up in these things and erradicate any sort of even playing field that stratifying institutes.
at live events, does playing up require permission from a TD?
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Posted 2006-November-19, 11:52
"at live events, does playing up require permission from a TD?"
No, with a few exceptions at national events.
In my experience, very few people play up. They don't want the masterpoint hit.
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No, with a few exceptions at national events.
In my experience, very few people play up. They don't want the masterpoint hit.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 14:35
pbleighton, on Nov 19 2006, 12:52 PM, said:
In my experience, very few people play up. They don't want the masterpoint hit.
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sad state of affairs that fiducial points matter more than decent bridge.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 18:53
matmat, on Nov 19 2006, 03:35 PM, said:
pbleighton, on Nov 19 2006, 12:52 PM, said:
In my experience, very few people play up. They don't want the masterpoint hit.
Peter
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sad state of affairs that fiducial points matter more than decent bridge.
maybe so, but there are alot of people who play in acbl events who worry not only about their masterpoints but what their BBO rating is
So if people want a bbo rating system why not include all games free or money for the chance to win BBO points
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Posted 2006-November-19, 19:06
"So if people want a bbo rating system why not include all games free or money for the chance to win BBO points"
Better still, why not a direct pay-for-play:
Novice: free
Intermediate: $5/month
Advanced: $10/month
Expert: $15/month
World Class: $20/month
Peter
Better still, why not a direct pay-for-play:
Novice: free
Intermediate: $5/month
Advanced: $10/month
Expert: $15/month
World Class: $20/month
Peter
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Posted 2006-November-19, 19:17
It would be funny to see how many people could actually take the ego hit in ranking themselves as novices.
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Posted 2006-November-19, 19:18
pbleighton, on Nov 20 2006, 04:06 AM, said:
"So if people want a bbo rating system why not include all games free or money for the chance to win BBO points"
Better still, why not a direct pay-for-play:
Novice: free
Intermediate: $5/month
Advanced: $10/month
Expert: $15/month
World Class: $20/month
Peter
Better still, why not a direct pay-for-play:
Novice: free
Intermediate: $5/month
Advanced: $10/month
Expert: $15/month
World Class: $20/month
Peter
Best rating system ever!
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Posted 2006-November-20, 00:19
Nah, per month pricing is overly generous - I want per USE pricing instead!
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Posted 2006-November-20, 05:47
jillybean2, on Nov 19 2006, 12:04 PM, said:
We could include dodgy points as well. The rating system becomes even more meaningless than it is now , if that is possible.
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DodgyPoints are not dissimilar to ACBL or BBO MasterPoints, except I like integers, and they're FREE!
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Posted 2006-November-20, 15:52
Will asking for stars be less popular now?
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Will asking for stars be less popular now?
No but you will have some really cheap world class players with a * next to their name but a self-ranking of Novice
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Posted 2006-November-21, 10:43
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I try to solve this by assigning each player 'stratification points'. A pair gets the higher of the stratification points of the 2 players in the pair.
Star = some huge number of points (to force pair into A)
ACBL points = as is
BBO Points (used if no acbl points) are multiplied by some semi-arbitrary value , like 2 or 3
Level (used if no acbl, no bbo points) are used as a last resort
I try to solve this by assigning each player 'stratification points'. A pair gets the higher of the stratification points of the 2 players in the pair.
Star = some huge number of points (to force pair into A)
ACBL points = as is
BBO Points (used if no acbl points) are multiplied by some semi-arbitrary value , like 2 or 3
Level (used if no acbl, no bbo points) are used as a last resort
Actually this is very fun. It'll be interesting if "Level" is moved up in importance.
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Posted 2006-November-26, 13:43
A couple points here:
(1) You should probably include BBO points in computing the strat for everyone. The issue is, suppose there's someone who has no ACBL points but lots of BBO points, probably a reasonably good player but not from north america. This puts them in, say, strat B. They play an ACBL tourney and scratch. Now they have a very small non-zero number of ACBL points. They move to strat C. Really you shouldn't be able to move down in strat (well unless the field gets a lot stronger).
(2) It might be interesting to use people's self-ratings as part of the stratification decision. Especially for players from outside north america, this will be more accurate than ACBL points or (probably) BBO points. There seem to be more players with "inflated" self-ratings than "deflated" ones. It'd be interesting to see if that changes if you use self-rating for stratification (I suspect not), but such a system would tend to penalize those who self-overrate (well assuming they play in stratified tourneys).
(1) You should probably include BBO points in computing the strat for everyone. The issue is, suppose there's someone who has no ACBL points but lots of BBO points, probably a reasonably good player but not from north america. This puts them in, say, strat B. They play an ACBL tourney and scratch. Now they have a very small non-zero number of ACBL points. They move to strat C. Really you shouldn't be able to move down in strat (well unless the field gets a lot stronger).
(2) It might be interesting to use people's self-ratings as part of the stratification decision. Especially for players from outside north america, this will be more accurate than ACBL points or (probably) BBO points. There seem to be more players with "inflated" self-ratings than "deflated" ones. It'd be interesting to see if that changes if you use self-rating for stratification (I suspect not), but such a system would tend to penalize those who self-overrate (well assuming they play in stratified tourneys).
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Posted 2006-November-27, 08:36
Stratified games, I think, encourage weaker players to stick with the game as they will have "more success." In time, these weaker players should become better players. Stratified games is a way to promote the game of bridge, I do believe.
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Posted 2006-November-27, 08:42
I must add, though, that i don't see how one can evenly decide strata of all of the non-ACBL individuals in an international community that have played bridge for some years, particularly new members that have no BBO history.
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Posted 2006-December-05, 14:37
I like the addition of stratifying. I think it might be worth an experiment to flight one game a day. Since there are no overall awards, flighting does not have the usual problem of making the fields too small. The problem with the failed Life Master game is that the limited nature meant that it earned less points than the open game.
IF you wanted to do a flighted game, I think you would need flights ahead of time. My suggestion for the flights would be something like:
0-300 and BBO ranking of 4 or less
0-1500 and BBO ranking of 7 or less
Unlimited
For the strats, it may also be better to use the higher of a pair's ACBL ranking or adjusted BBO ranking.
(BTW, when the software gets there, I think a team bracketed KO tournament with 6-board rounds would be a big hit.)
IF you wanted to do a flighted game, I think you would need flights ahead of time. My suggestion for the flights would be something like:
0-300 and BBO ranking of 4 or less
0-1500 and BBO ranking of 7 or less
Unlimited
For the strats, it may also be better to use the higher of a pair's ACBL ranking or adjusted BBO ranking.
(BTW, when the software gets there, I think a team bracketed KO tournament with 6-board rounds would be a big hit.)