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Interesting Defensive position How do we sort this out?

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Posted 2006-November-12, 22:52

In a local game, the following happened at 2 top tables:
Scoring: IMP


South declares 4S (typically after 1S- 2S, 4S). West led the sgl club. Both declarers misplayed it when he played small from dummy. (Only excuse is that it is late, so bear with it :) )

At one table: East took the K, returned the T of clubs. West ruffed small and returned the 8 of H, now East got it wrong by playng another club.

At the other table: East took the K, returned the 8 of clubs, West ruffed small, returned the 9 of H and East got it wrong again by playing another club.

Naturally, there is a lot of discussion/arguments after the match... among them:

1. Is there a difference between East's T and 8 of club return?
2. Is West's high H return suit preference? or is it showing/denying a H honour?
3. Should West ruff with a higher S to dispel hope for another trump promotion?

Of course, a lot depends on the actual hand, how many tricks are needed, etc. But in general, are there any sort of 'standard' agreements for this sort of position?

Thanks all for any advice :)
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Posted 2006-November-12, 23:50

IMPs this really should not be a problem. West should cash DA b4 returning heart. In MP probably you still should cash DA, as declarer have already given you a trick by ducking .

I think the right lesson from this board is not that much about signal but about avoiding unnecesary mistakes.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 00:20

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

IMPs this really should not be a problem. West should cash DA b4 returning heart.

And if declarers hand was AKJTxx KQJx --- Qxx instead? oops? aces don't always cash.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 00:52

Jlall, on Nov 13 2006, 06:20 AM, said:

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

IMPs this really should not be a problem. West should cash DA b4 returning heart.

And if declarers hand was AKJTxx KQJx --- Qxx instead? oops? aces don't always cash.

I admit this is possible. But dont you think wiht that holding declarer is much less likely to duck CA in first round? He has ten sure tricks.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 00:59

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 01:52 AM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 13 2006, 06:20 AM, said:

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

IMPs this really should not be a problem. West should cash DA b4 returning heart.

And if declarers hand was AKJTxx KQJx --- Qxx instead? oops? aces don't always cash.

I admit this is possible. But dont you think wiht that holding declarer is much less likely to duck CA in first round? He has ten sure tricks.

He has 10 sure tricks in this layout too.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 01:53

Jlall, on Nov 13 2006, 06:59 AM, said:

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 01:52 AM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 13 2006, 06:20 AM, said:

flytoox, on Nov 13 2006, 12:50 AM, said:

IMPs this really should not be a problem. West should cash DA b4 returning heart.

And if declarers hand was AKJTxx KQJx --- Qxx instead? oops? aces don't always cash.

I admit this is possible. But dont you think wiht that holding declarer is much less likely to duck CA in first round? He has ten sure tricks.

He has 10 sure tricks in this layout too.

LOL. What can I say?
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