[Apollo81]

Ax
xx
AKQJ6x
Axx

KTxxx
AQJ98x
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Kx


North dealer.
2n-3d
3h-3s
3n-5d*
6d-6h
7d-7h
7n-p

*Exclusion

of course diamonds are 4-3 and hearts are 3-2 with K onside

[HeartA]

Apollo81, on Nov 13 2006, 10:56 AM, said:

of course diamonds are 4-3 and hearts are 3-2 with K onside

Then you should bid 10NT.

[mikegill]

Oh, and he forgot to mention this is the first board of the last round of an A/X swiss and you're leading by 4 VPs, trying to hold off another team you just beat.

[keylime]

That is just classic.

[neilkaz]

He also forgot to mention that the Q and J of ♠ drop, thereby giving declarer another OT

.. neilkaz ..

[Walddk]

I have been in much worse grand slams, believe me. 62% for diamonds 4-3, and if only we had ♥10, it would make half of the times diamonds are 4-3 (♥K onside regardless of how many hearts LHO has).

With no ♥10 we also need hearts 3-2 or singleton king. As a consequence, this grand makes roughly 37% of the times diamonds are 4-3. Still around 20%, so much better than my requirements for a fine slam as some of you may know

However, the grand is actually better than this, because sometimes you make it even if diamonds are 5-2 or worse. Then we need five heart tricks (hearts 3-2 with the king on).

I would be embarrassed if I bid a grand this good, and there is absolutely no reason to be disappointed if your opponents bid it against you!

Roland

[pclayton]

I've seen worse.

My current teammates were in the finals of the GNT-C's about 10 years ago and lost by 6. One of the boards was a grand that needed two 3-3 splits and a onside King.

[HeartA]

neilkaz, on Nov 13 2006, 01:39 PM, said:

He also forgot to mention that the Q and J of ♠ drop, thereby giving declarer another OT 

.. neilkaz ..

Opps pitched clubs when declarer was running diamonds/hearts. That gave NS 5S+6H+6D+3C = 20 tricks.

[pclayton]

Walddk, on Nov 13 2006, 10:58 AM, said:

I have been in much worse grand slams, believe me. 62% for diamonds 4-3, and if only we had ♥10, it would make half of the times diamonds are 4-3 (♥K onside regardless of how many hearts LHO has).

With no ♥10 we also need hearts 3-2 or singleton king. As a consequence, this grand makes roughly 37% of the times diamonds are 4-3. Still around 20%, so much better than my requirements for a fine slam as some of you may know

However, the grand is actually better than this, because sometimes you make it even if diamonds are 5-2 or worse. Then we need five heart tricks (hearts 3-2 with the king on).

I would be embarrassed if I bid a grand this good, and there is absolutely no reason to be disappointed if your opponents bid it against you!

Roland

SO Noble's slam doesn't even qualify as a Roland Slam?

Sheeshhhhh.

[neilkaz]

pclayton, on Nov 13 2006, 12:59 PM, said:

I've seen worse.

My current teammates were in the finals of the GNT-C's about 10 years ago and lost by 6. One of the boards was a grand that needed two 3-3 splits and a onside King.

Afterwhich they had to endure both opp's praising their bidding system and each others' great hand evaluation skills ..

neilkaz

[Walddk]

pclayton, on Nov 13 2006, 08:59 PM, said:

My current teammates were in the finals of the GNT-C's about 10 years ago and lost by 6. One of the boards was a grand that needed two 3-3 splits and a onside King.

That's roughly 6% and therefore not even half as good as my average slams. Sure, I may bid one like this, but for some reason I am never among the 6 declarers that make it.

I am among the 94 needless to say. Very unlucky, the story of my life

Roland

[neilkaz]

Walddk, on Nov 13 2006, 01:17 PM, said:

pclayton, on Nov 13 2006, 08:59 PM, said:

My current teammates were in the finals of the GNT-C's about 10 years ago and lost by 6. One of the boards was a grand that needed two 3-3 splits and a onside King.

That's roughly 6% and therefore not even half as good as my average slams. Sure, I may bid one like this, but for some reason I am never among the 6 declarers that make it.

I am among the 94 needless to say. Very unlucky, the story of my life

Roland

If one suit splits 33 doesn't that make another suit more likely to split 33 ?

I've never found any where with a mathematical proof of this or not.

TY .. neilkaz ..