[ArcLight]

How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?
1D - 2C
2H - 3H

(Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond 2C, not 1H)

[whereagles]

44 wtp?

[awm]

I'd say four, but it depends a little on how you play responder's 2♠ rebid here.

My strong preference is that 2♠ is "fourth-suit forcing" showing a hand with no clear direction. In this case there's no reason to ever bid 3♥ on only three cards; you always have some other call available.

If you prefer to play 2♠ as "natural" then you are left with hands such as 3325 patterns with weak spades, where you can't bid 2♠ (which promises a suit) or 2NT (which promises a stopper) and are effectively "endplayed" into raising hearts (say xxx AQx xx AKxxx).

[HeartA]

ArcLight, on Nov 10 2006, 04:19 PM, said:

How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?
1D - 2C
2H - 3H

(Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond 2C, not 1H)

4 hearts. He was planning a reverse. Now 3H is game forcing. Opener's any bid except 4H shows extra value and interest in slam.

[neilkaz]

The system given is 2/1 so 2♣ should be GF (unless playing 2C then 3C as long clubs..personally I play 2C as GF and jump shift to 3C with long clubs not good enuf to GF)

3♥ simply guarantees 4 card support in any normal 2/1 system since opener almost surely has only 4 cards in ♥, noting that you specified that you respond 2C when holding 4♥ and 5♣ and GF, just as I do.

I also don't play that 2♥ in this GF sequence shows extra strength.

There are many varients of 2/1 GF response systems and certainly my preferred styles are far from the last word and many experts do other things.

After 3♥ opener can just bid 4♥ with a min, or Q bid or use Serious 3NT with slam interest.

.. neilkaz ..

[mike777]

ArcLight, on Nov 10 2006, 04:19 PM, said:

How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?
1D - 2C
2H - 3H

(Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond  2C, not 1H)

Only 4 but at least 4....also at least a mild slam try......assuming fast arriv.

Opener can still have some junky 11 hcp hand.

[pclayton]

It promises 4. It does not confirm or deny extra values, but promises some sort of control in ♦ or ♠ .

[blackshoe]

Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.
Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.
Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming.

:-)

[HeartA]

blackshoe, on Nov 15 2006, 12:57 AM, said:

Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.
Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.
Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming.

:-)

With this mindset, you should never play bridge or even come to this forum. You better go playing lotery

[jillybean]

HeartA, on Nov 14 2006, 11:16 PM, said:

blackshoe, on Nov 15 2006, 12:57 AM, said:

Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.
Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.
Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming.

:-)

With this mindset, you should never play bridge or even come to this forum. You better go playing lotery

Maybe you should read the post once more and then remove your foot from your mouth

[cnszsun]

The continuing of 1♦-2♣ is much more complex than it seems.
Did opener's 2♥ show 4♥, or can be 3?
What should opener rebid with balanced hand like 4=4=3=2 or 3=4=4=2, NT or major?
Will opener's NT rebid promise both unbid majors stopped or did opener's new suit bid promise unbalanced hand?
What will opener bid with 4=4=4=1, how to find 4-4 major fit if responder has 4♠s?

[dank]

The easiest way to deal with this problem is to play 1♦-3♣ as natural and invitational, which makes 1♦-2♣ game forcing. Then, all your rebids are just natural. But either way, 1♦-2♣-2♥ shows 4+ hearts, 5+ diamonds, and extra values for me, and a raise here to 3♥ absolutely guarantees 4 trumps. It says nothing about fast arrival, the only time i would jump to 4♥ over 2♥ is with a hand like ♠xx♥KQxx♦xx♣AQJxx.

[Strangway]

Good point right out of Hardy's 2/1 book suggesting 1d/3c is invitational and 1d/2c is gameforcing. But also in Hardy's book aren't reverses off in a gameforcing 2/1 sequence and just show pattern?

Presumably over the 3H bid (yes it shows 4+), whether the 2H bid showed extras or not, 3nt is available as "serious".