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2/1 1H 1ST* 2C 2S meaning?

#1 User is offline   dosxtres 

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Posted 2006-November-06, 12:12

What's the meaning of

playing 2/1 and NT Forcing

1H 1N*
2C 2S
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Posted 2006-November-06, 12:25

This is called an impossible 2♠ bid, and generally shows a "strong" raise to 3 of the openers minor, while the direct raise to 3 of the minor is weaker (of course, the 1NT opener can ot be all that strong).

I have seen other meanings as well, but this seems the most common.
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Posted 2006-November-06, 12:31

I play it as a 2N call without a spade stop, and implying club support. I have no idea what is considered 'standard', but Ben's definition comes close I think.
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Posted 2006-November-06, 12:50

Ben's answer is what I'd consider standard too. This allows responder to distinguish between a very poor hand (pass), a modest raise (perhaps 6-9), and a good raise (perhaps 10-11).

I'd also say this should be true in most systems, although the ranges may be different.

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Posted 2006-November-06, 13:25

I play what Ben described.
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Posted 2006-November-06, 13:55

cardsharp, on Nov 6 2006, 01:50 PM, said:

Ben's answer is what I'd consider standard too. This allows responder to distinguish between a very poor hand (pass), a modest raise (perhaps 6-9), and a good raise (perhaps 10-11).

I'd also say this should be true in most systems, although the ranges may be different.

Paul

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Posted 2006-November-06, 14:02

Very similar -- impossible spade meaning club raise.

One distinction, however. The 3♣ raise is more preemptive, with longer support required but fewer points. 2♠, in contrast, could be four-card support, although longer support is possible. This caters to a 2♣ rebid that is semi-manufactured.
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