[jocdelevat]

Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠ 3 ♥ AKJT9532 ♦ Q5 ♣ AQ

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  2♣
 Pass  2♦    Pass  2♥
 Pass  2♠    Pass  4♥
 Pass  4♠    Pass  4NT
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


Hi all
my level beginner playing SAYC
How you open this hand?
I learned namyats and wanted to use but my pard told me not to play before tourney. Is this hand fit description for namyats ? I open 2c and I got in a funny contract then got lucki the lead was a small d from a suit with ace king.
I saw my pard had in his profile 3nt gambling but he refuse to play namyats is there any reason that some players refuse to play namyats. I do not understand whats was wrong with my biding that my pard(advanced) didn't understand what type of hand I have.

thank you all for your advice

[jillybean]

jocdelevat, on Nov 5 2006, 09:45 AM, said:

is there any reason that some players  refuse to play namyats.

The reason I don't play namyats is that I forget the basic stuff so adding fancy stuff is pointless

[Walddk]

I would rather open 1♥ than 2♣, and yes, it does qualify for a Namyats 4♣ opening according to my requirements:

1. 8½-9 tricks at this vulnerability.
2. Trump suit with no more than one loser opposite a singleton.
3. Control in at least two of the three side suits.

Roland

[pclayton]

I play NAMYATS, but the hand is just a little too good. Take away the quacks: x, AKJTxxxx, xx, Ax and I think 4♣ is OK. 2♣ is a little much. If pard passes I'm not worried about missing game (unlike the big 6-5 in the other thread).

I just read Roland's description of NAMYATS, and I like it.

[inquiry]

Too good for naymats, the rules i use for that bid are fairly simpe, one is that less than 5 controls. How can I make such a rule? Because I also use 2C to include aco bids in a major. A requirement for that 2C opening is AT LEAST five controls.

This hand meets the minimum requirement for the acol two bid, so it is too good for naymats the way i play it. I understand if your 2C does not include acol two in majors, this is more of a question on what to bid.

[hrothgar]

Textbook NAMYATS 4♣ opening (the textbook being preempts from A to Z)

Zenkel and Anderson define the requirements as follows

1. The trump suit is always self sufficient and never contains more than one loser. It is at least seven cards long and frequently 8.

2. No more than one Ace or King (but not both) outside the trump suit

4. 8 or 9 playing tricks

[P_Marlowe]

jocdelevat, on Nov 5 2006, 11:45 AM, said:

<snip>
I saw my pard had in his profile 3nt gambling but he refuse to  play namyats is there any reason that some players  refuse to play namyats.
<snip>

Giving up a natural preemptive 4C
opening bid is quite a lot.

Unless you have a different way to
open those hands (and gambling 3NT
does not count), I would not play
Namyats, meaning I have to open 1H
or 2C, but 2C is only an option if it is not
100% forcing to game, i.e. in the seq.

2C - 2D
2H - ...

partner can pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Regarding the bidding, the pass by your
partner is certainly wrong (you can use a more
drastic description of the bid), 4NT is not to play,
it is certainly RKCB, we can discuss if it is for hearts
or for spades (my choice), but partner cant pass.

[neilkaz]

I don't like to open 2♣ (assuming a "normal" SAYC or 2/1 2♣ that is GF unless PD makes a 2nd negative and opener repeats his suit) with only 16 HCP and 3.5 quick tricks.

1♥ for me, and then I can jump to 4♥ opposite a normal minimum response.
The risk of 1♥ getting passed out is very very small with only 16 HCP along with a stiff ♠.

After you jumped to 4♥ after your 2♣ opening, responder should certainly realize that you have a minimum with a self sufficient ♥ suit and that you aren't interested in any other strain.

His 4♠ followed by passing 4NT makes no sense, since he should only bid 4♠ if in search of slam.

As for Namyats..I almost never play it, but isn't this hand a bit too strong for it ?

thx .. neilkaz ..

[neilkaz]

hrothgar, on Nov 5 2006, 01:20 PM, said:

Textbook NAMYATS 4♣ opening (the textbook being preempts from A to Z)

Zenkel and Anderson define the requirements as follows

1. The trump suit is always self sufficient and never contains more than one loser. It is at least seven cards long and frequently 8.

2. No more than one Ace or King (but not both) outside the trump suit

4. 8 or 9 playing tricks

OK this answers my Namyats question. I think I'll reread that chapter in A-Z to get more familiar with a convention I almost never have played since, although in frequent and sometimes missing 3NT, I prefer to be able to preempt 4m.

.. neilkaz ..

[HeartA]

I also think it's a little too good for NAMYATS, and a little too weak for 2C. Anyway, North's 4S and pass 4N were rediculous. If he got a weak hand, he should not bid over 4H. And if he got very good spades, he can't pass 4NT.

[cherdano]

Unless you have special agreements like Ben, this hand is clearly too weak for 2♣. Think about it from partner's perspective: If you have an ace and two kings, and partner opens 2♣, wouldn't you drive to slam? Or three kings and a queen? Or an ace, a king and a queen?

Arend

[keylime]

1♥. Wrong hand to bid 2♣ to start and have pard show up with wasted values in diamonds and spades.