[dosxtres]

dealer: ♠A9854 ♥AK95 ♦3 ♣KQ2

responder: ♠QJ ♥Q84 ♦9642 ♣A653


How to bid this hand 2/1?

[Blofeld]

I'd bid something like:
1♠ : 1NT
2♥ : 2♠
3♣ : 4♣
4♦ : 4♠

The first four bids seem pretty clear. I'm less sure about the ones after that.

[whereagles]

Agree with 1st four bids. I would leave it at 2♠, though.

[kenberg]

Blofeld, on Nov 2 2006, 07:52 AM, said:

I'd bid something like:
1♠ : 1NT
2♥ : 2♠
3♣ : 4♣
4♦ : 4♠

The first four bids seem pretty clear. I'm less sure about the ones after that.

I think I, if responder, would bid 4H over 4D.

If opener, I might well pass 2S but I see why someone may wish to carry on. Close, I think.

[dosxtres]

That was the problem. I passed after 1S 1N* 2H 2S pass
And the other table arrived to 4S.

1N is forcing one round.
So, my plying is style is 1N and 2S used to show a 6-7 HCP with 2 or 3 spades. So I pased.
Do I have to invite and how? 3C? We play long suit trials at level 3, dont know if it is something to consider or not.

[kenberg]

Seems to me that if 2S is limited to 7 points then responder has no call available to him after 1S-1N-2H. Surely he dos not want to go past 2S on this hand since partner can have a minimum and no decent fit has been found. So I would rethink the notion that 2S is limited to a 7 count.

Assuming responder's 2S is legit on the current hand, then there is simply a judgment call of pass or 3C. Not all making games will be bid, and probably this hand will not always take 10 tricks. Nor, imo, is this a defect of 2/1. To my mind the auction begins the samwe way in SAYC and presents the same problem.

Opener has substantially more than an opening bid, suggesting further action over 2S, but no guarantee comes with it.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

I like the idea of bidding out your pattern with 3Cs, however, only 'if' my spade suit were fairly strong. This hand has potential, however, the bidding to date suggests caution. I concur with your pass of 2Ss.

Partner is either holds a doubleton spade 'or' is too weak for a raise to two spades(depending on your chosen methods) If your methods are that a 'weak' 2S raise goes by way of a 1NT* bid, I would pass the 2S bid since partner will only have three spades with a 5(6?)-7 value dummy.

Limiting this bidding to 7HCP seems extreme. Whatever does partner bid with 8-9
HCP?

I use a Big club method, so I would be bidding game here. Not that this hand should/would make game. I strongly suspect that I would like to be able to stop in two spades 'knowing' what you knew in your 2/1 auction.

I rarely suggest that a 2/1 auction is superior to my chosen Big Club methods.

Regards,
Robert

[whereagles]

dosxtres, on Nov 2 2006, 01:59 PM, said:

That was the problem. I passed after 1S 1N* 2H 2S pass
And the other table arrived to 4S.

1N is forcing one round.
So, my plying is style is 1N and 2S used to show a 6-7 HCP with 2 or 3 spades. So I pased.

If in your system

1♠ 1NT
2♥ 2♠

cannot be more than 7 hcp, then I guess you have to bid something other than 2♠. 2NT comes to mind, given that you have good fillers for pard's majors and a quick trick outside.

Still, it's probably better to let 2♠ go all the way up to 10 hcp.

[mikeh]

This hand has similarities to another current thread, dealing with responder's problem after 1♠ 1N 2♥.

As per my (long) posts in that thread, I entirely disagree with the unplayable notion that a 2♠ preference is limited to 7 points. While I usually frame comments about expert practice recognizing that some expert will think otherwise, on this one I am 100% sure that not one expert in a thousand (assuming there are 100o real experts) would use this rule.

For me:

1♠   1N
2♥   2♠

Now 3♣ is reasonable: responder could hold a magic hand such as Kx xx xxx AJxxxx and the bidding would be the same through 2♠.

However, I would never bid 4♣ as South: I would need better than Axxx to suggest playing in ♣: it is just too unlikely that partner has what we need to make an 11 trick game and not a 10 trick one: possible, yes, but likely, no.

So I would now bid 3♥ over 3♣: owning up to Qxx.

Opener will bid 3♠ and I have a close decision, which I would probably resolve by bidding 4♣, in case partner did have the magic 5404... this would get us to 4♠ on the actual hand.

However, passing 2♠ is an obvious possibility and I would never criticize that bid. Change responder to Qx Qxx AJxx xxxx and we can see that 2♠ is plenty high enough. And we can easily see other hands that are even worse.

[HeartA]

I agree with Mike completely on this. I would certainly rebid 3C over 2S, with so good 16 counts (the only bad is spades are weak).

I also don't like the idea that 2S is limited to 7 counts.

[pclayton]

Good hand for a Bluhmer bid.

1♠ - 1N - 2♥ - 2♠ - 3♣. Yes, 3♣ shows EXTRAS. I hope no one suggests that it can be a minimum 5=4=0=4.

The responding hand can't get any better. A 4♦ call shows a max, but unsure about strain (perhaps it should have 5 clubs instead of 4). Make opener the same hand with KQxx of clubs and a void diamond, and now 6♣ is looking good.

[kenrexford]

Given the parameters of the partnership approach, I'd respond 2♠ directly, notwithstanding the lack of a third spade. I'll push for and accept any suggestion of a 3NT contract, and I'll endorse a natural heart try enthusiatically.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Nov 2 2006, 11:45 AM, said:

I think opener has a pass of 2S. Partner can have up to 10 points yes, but he can have as few as 5 and we have no fit in either major, and the spades are anemic. Even if we find 3N the spades aren't going to be a great source of tricks and we may just be propelled to the stratosphere with no fit and no values. Sure there are some magic hands with partner having club values and length and the spade king, but in my experience partner has diamond values/length and the Qx of spades a lot more often I am admittedly conservative in this situation.

This is logical, since Justin and his pards will bid a forcing NT on lighter hands than most of us.

This isn't a criticism of their style, but passing 2♠ is consistent with this approach.

[mike777]

dosxtres, on Nov 2 2006, 07:32 AM, said:

dealer: ♠A9854 ♥AK95 ♦3 ♣KQ2

responder: ♠QJ ♥Q84 ♦9642 ♣A653


How to bid this hand 2/1?

Very tough hand. Since 1nt and a rebid of 2spades could be 5-10 hcp or even wider for some, very tough. Some may respond 1nt with any random K or Ace and 2 spades or 3 spades if playing constructive raises.

I really wonder how many would bid 3clubs at MP? Very tough hand.

[awm]

Do we really want to be in this game?

It seems likely that the opponents will start with diamonds, since they are the unbid suit. In 3NT we will fail any time diamonds are 5-3 and sometimes when diamonds break. In 4♠ we will get tapped, lose a spade, get tapped again... and any time spades are 4-2 we lose two spades and two diamonds in the end position (okay unless both round suits break 3-3, giving the four spades hand 4333 exactly).

Perhaps 4♥ is the most interesting game -- it seems like we need either hearts 3-3 or clubs 3-3 with the spades behaving. But in any case I don't think it's a big deal to be missing game on these cards.

[pbleighton]

I pass 2S with regret, as a hole in the system, but no question.

Peter

[P_Marlowe]

dosxtres, on Nov 2 2006, 08:59 AM, said:

That was the problem. I passed after 1S 1N* 2H 2S pass
And the other table arrived to 4S.

1N is forcing one round.
So, my plying is style is 1N and 2S used to show a 6-7 HCP with 2 or 3 spades. So I pased.
<snip>

Hi,

unless you play your home made version of
forcing NT, the 2S does not limit the hand to
7HCP.
There are hands out there with 2 spades and
upto 9/10 points.
We are speaking about hands with at most 3
hearts and at most 2 spades.

To play 2S as limiting to at most 7HCP is only
playable with additional conventions, if at all.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would pass 2S as opener, but 3C is ok as
well, but responder should either pass 3C,
correct to 3S or bid 4S, 4C is not an option.
3C is just a fragment, and you dont want to play
a part score on the 4 level with a 7 card fit.