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Your lead From Kxx or Kxxx?

#1 User is offline   Wackojack 

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Posted 2006-November-04, 07:46

Scoring: IMP


Bidding:
S W N E
p p p 1♥
x 2♥ p 4♥
p p p

Here is the post mortum chat: Opp2 (I believe) is mentoring my partner)

wackojack: pity about the lead
partner: yes I was studying at www.crappyleads.com
opp1: lol
opp2: likely to cash more tricks leading from Kxx than Kxxx
wackojack: not criticizing
opp2: sure, just didn't want xxx to think it was a poor lead per se

As the cards lay, the club lead gives the contract. Any other defeats it. What is the reason for leading from Kxx in this situation giving better odds than leading from Kxxx? I am not suggesting this is wrong, but would just like to know why.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 08:15

There is no apparent reason to lead a low diamond rather than a low club. With this said, I wouldn't lead either. I'll go passive and lead a trump. We have the side suits, so let declarer solve his own problems.

Besides, a trump lead won't give anything declarer couldn't have done himself.

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Posted 2006-November-04, 09:24

Hi,

I think a trump or a spade
would have been my choice,
most likely a trump.

If you want to go active, lead
clubs or diamond, ... I would
choose my longer suit.

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Posted 2006-November-04, 12:37

A spade or a trump. A spade isn't really dangerous with pard advertising a little length. But a trump may actually accomplish something.

No need to attack in either minor, with the ugly spots.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 12:38

Why does it matter if your spots are not pretty?
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Posted 2006-November-04, 15:33

mike777, on Nov 4 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

Why does it matter if your spots are not pretty?

Because one of the reasons you would attack with a minor is to set up more than one trick in the suit. KTxx or even K9xx gives you more of a chance if Declarer has AJx for instance.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 15:41

pclayton, on Nov 4 2006, 11:33 PM, said:

mike777, on Nov 4 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

Why does it matter if your spots are not pretty?

Because one of the reasons you would attack with a minor is to set up more than one trick in the suit. KTxx or even K9xx gives you more of a chance if Declarer has AJx for instance.

OTOH, with higher spots the leads may also become more risky (assume partner has Jxx).
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Posted 2006-November-04, 16:23

Textbook hand for leading a trump. King underleads are into the strong hand, and those spades help blocking possible discards.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 16:53

You do not underlead Kings in an unbid suit into the best hand at the table at a suit contract?
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Posted 2006-November-04, 16:59

mike777, on Nov 4 2006, 02:53 PM, said:

You do not underlead Kings in an unbid suit into the best hand at the table at a suit contract?

Depends if we are desperate or not. Dummy hasn't advertised a trick source, so whats the hurry to break a suit here?

On the other hand if I heard: 1♥ - 2♣, 2♥, 4♥, I'd lead a ♦.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 18:09

pclayton, on Nov 4 2006, 05:59 PM, said:

mike777, on Nov 4 2006, 02:53 PM, said:

You do not underlead Kings in an unbid suit into the best hand at the table at a suit contract?

Depends if we are desperate or not. Dummy hasn't advertised a trick source, so whats the hurry to break a suit here?

On the other hand if I heard: 1♥ - 2♣, 2♥, 4♥, I'd lead a ♦.

Ok, of course dummy may have the best hand at the table on that auction in 2/1. In the first auction it seems clear rho has the best hand.
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Posted 2006-November-04, 18:38

I would lead a spade. To lead from trump doubleton costs a trick frequently.
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Posted 2006-November-05, 06:05

mike777, on Nov 4 2006, 05:53 PM, said:

You do not underlead Kings in an unbid suit into the best hand at the table at a suit contract?

Depends if you have to go active or not,
with the given sequence, it is probably a
toss up if you have to, nobody knows, if
opener has enough or has to find the necessary
tricks.
=> This uncertainty speaks probably for a passive
lead, since most people tend to stretch to bid game.

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Posted 2006-November-06, 10:20

You actually doubled 1H for takeout on this holding? :)
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2006-November-07, 13:45

Id lead a major here. BTW that takeout double is crazy. You may get away with it much of the time, but how will it help you?
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