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#1 User is offline   hrothgar 

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Posted 2006-October-28, 17:23

Here's an odd little hand that cropped up during a social game this afternoon

Partner and RHO opponent pass.
You hold



What's your bidding plan?

Open 1♥ and jump in hearts (rebid 3♥)?
Open 1♥ and jump in clubs (rebid 3♣)?
Open 1♥ and reverse in Spades 2♠?
Open 2NT?

Something that I've missed?
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Posted 2006-October-28, 17:39

1♥-3♥ unless I'm playing Acol and it's the hand strong 2's are made for so either 2♣ Benji followed by 2♥ or a straight 2♥


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Posted 2006-October-28, 17:44

I absolutely despise 2 card jump shifts, but sadly I realize that sometimes they're neccesary in standard bidding. If there is every any option though I'll take it.

Over 1N I think 2S is an easy rebid, you at least have 3 of them and theres no danger that partner will insist on spades since he didnt bid 1S. Over 1S I grudgingly bid 3C seeing no other option.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 18:52

Ah, the 1344th strong two thread. At the risk of being repetitive, here's my auction on these type of hands:

2♣ 2♦
2♥ any
3♥
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Posted 2006-October-28, 19:08

Jlall, on Oct 28 2006, 06:44 PM, said:

I absolutely despise 2 card jump shifts, but sadly I realize that sometimes they're neccesary in standard bidding. If there is every any option though I'll take it.

Over 1N I think 2S is an easy rebid, you at least have 3 of them and theres no danger that partner will insist on spades since he didnt bid 1S. Over 1S I grudgingly bid 3C seeing no other option.

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Posted 2006-October-28, 21:41

Open 1NT. Make a minimum rebid in hearts over partner's reply.

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Posted 2006-October-28, 23:13

Open 1H Richard and the next bid depends on what partner bids. As YOU well know, the Poles have a nice bid here if pd bids 1S. 2NT shows 3 card support, 6 of the opened Major and a fine hand. I guess we are not playing anything as enlightened as P. Club, so my next bid will be in NT natural. I refuse to jump shift in non existent suits which appears to be a very prevalent treatment in the US from the posts I have read in the past.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 23:53

The_Hog, on Oct 29 2006, 12:13 AM, said:

Open 1H Richard and the next bid depends on what partner bids. As YOU well know, the Poles have a nice bid here if pd bids 1S. 2NT shows 3 card support, 6 of the opened Major and a fine hand. I guess we are not playing anything as enlightened as P. Club, so my next bid will be in NT natural. I refuse to jump shift in non existent suits which appears to be a very prevalent treatment in the US from the posts I have read in the past.

I agree with Ron on this.
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Posted 2006-October-29, 00:14

1♥, and hope that you, like the Poles, can show this hand.

Without that...tough. Really tough rebid.
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Posted 2006-October-29, 01:17

We play:

1♥ 1♠
3NT to show game values and six hearts and three spades

1♥ 1NT
3♥ natural and forcing

1♥ 2minor
3♥ natural and forcing
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Posted 2006-October-29, 02:53

1H-1S-3NT (showing 6card H and 18-19pts) or 1H-1NT-2S
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Posted 2006-October-29, 06:44

1♥ opening, the rest depends...
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Posted 2006-October-29, 11:00

I was playing this with Justin...

To say that we don't have many (any?) firm agreements would be an understatement. While I'd love to drag out any one of a number of different gagets to handle this, I was stuck with my concept of what Justin's concept of standard would be

I was originally tempted by a 2NT opening, wanting to avoid the whole rebid problem. However, I all the Aces and Kings made me feel that the hand was suit oriented. So, I went with 1♥, planning to wing it. Justin responded 1♠.

Here's the full hand and the complete auction



P - (P) - 1♥ - (P)
1♠ - (P) - 3♣ - (P)
3♥ - (P) - 4♥ - (P)
5♣ - (P) - 5♦ - (P)
5♥ - (P) - 6♥ - (X)
All pass

In retrospect, I probably should have cue 4♦ over 3♥
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Posted 2006-October-29, 12:14

A very common understanding in standard that I would assume is on by default with a strong partner: 3NT after a 1 over 1 is to play but based on a long suit. Perfect for your hand. With a seventh heart and a couple of HCP less, rebid 4♥. Crude and old fashioned, but the best available in the system.
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Posted 2006-October-29, 12:15

mikestar, on Oct 29 2006, 01:14 PM, said:

A very common understanding in standard that I would assume is on by default with a strong partner:  3NT after a 1 over 1 is to play but based on a long suit. Perfect for your hand.  With a seventh heart and a couple of HCP less, rebid 4♥. Crude and old fashioned, but the best available in the system.

Yes but I do not think your hearts are long or strong enough for 3nt in standard.
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Posted 2006-October-29, 20:37

Why did they X this. I hope you made it Richard; its cold
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Posted 2006-October-29, 20:40

The_Hog, on Oct 29 2006, 09:37 PM, said:

Why did they X this. I hope you made it Richard; its cold

yes he wrapped it... the opps Xed out of tilt.

PS, would anyone bid my hand differently? Start with 4C? I felt I was definitely worth 1 move over 4H... give partner 2 less spades and 2 more clubs and you will see why :)
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Posted 2006-October-30, 00:05

The A of C and QJ of H are great cards Justin and prompt a move. I might have tried 4C over 3C. This is one of the reasons why I don't like jumps on non existent suits, but I can see that Richard had a problem here.
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Posted 2006-October-30, 08:28

I don't see what is so bad about 1♥-1♠-3NT, or opening 2♣ on these cards. These may not be perfect, but with a random partner shouldn't this be better than 1♥-1♠-3♣?

1♥-1NT-2♠ seems ok too.

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Posted 2006-October-30, 08:44

Apollo81, on Oct 30 2006, 05:28 PM, said:

I don't see what is so bad about 1♥-1♠-3NT, or opening 2♣ on these cards. These may not be perfect, but with a random partner shouldn't this be better than 1♥-1♠-3♣?

1♥-1NT-2♠ seems ok too.

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I don't think that the suit quality of the hearts is remotely sufficient to consider 3N.

A 2♣ opening never even occured to me. (I only have 8 tricks in hand. 5 hearts, 2 bullets and a club)
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