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#1 User is offline   Hilver 

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Posted 2006-October-28, 05:07

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Playing Precision, would You open 1 Club or 1 Heart?
Please, also write down Your motivation.
Thanks.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 05:52

Depends. If opps like to bugger my auctions, 1♥. If they're solid, 1♣.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 06:00

1C, because my rebid after 1H-1NT is 2H.

Make the hand AQxx-AKQxxx-xx-x (a better hand), and I open 1H, planning on 1H-1NT-3H or 1H-1S-3S.

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Posted 2006-October-28, 06:07

Hand strength is (barely) sufficient for a strong club opening, however, I'm opening 1♥.
I am going to prepare for a competitive auction by starting with a natural opening.

I plan to reverse in Spades and then show extra Heart length.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 07:04

I don't see why you should ruin this hand by opening 1♣ and give opponents a free ride in the minors before you can show your hand. 1♥ is CLEARCUT to me!
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Posted 2006-October-28, 08:03

"I plan to reverse in Spades and then show extra Heart length."

Richard:

You don't play a reverse as showing 6-5?

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Posted 2006-October-28, 08:05

Hi everyone

I open 1H and intend to show the spades next. Max. hand with 4S and 6(+) Hs.
If you play the Kaplan inversion where 1H-1S*-1NT* shows 4 spades and 1H-1NT* shows 5 spades. Opening 1H is clearcut IMHO

Reversing in Precision without a 6th heart just seemed wrong so my Big Club bidding reflects my current style. I do reverse with a strong 5431 with a 3 card 'fit' for partner.

Good players try to confuse your big club auctions. If you have shape, the chances are improved that they have shaped hands.

I rarely 'upgrade' a hand into a Big Club. I am currently trying an approach that uses 7HCP positives to a Big Club 'only' when Vul. You only need to make game 38+% of the time vul. This 0-6HCP range for 1C-1D also helps define my 1C-1D bidding.

The Meckwell style that 'upgrades' seven card suits that include top honors does appear sensible to me. You are going to show your seven card suit even at a fairly high level.

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Posted 2006-October-28, 11:29

1H and then 2S.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 13:41

Hilver, on Oct 28 2006, 03:07 AM, said:

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Playing Precision, would You open 1 Club or 1 Heart?
Please, also write down Your motivation.
Thanks.

1♥, partially since I have a strong rebid with 2♠. The loser count of this hand isn't great, but the honor structure is a little weak, and this isn't a great hand unless I catch a fit.

Sometimes opening 1♣ can get you in trouble, because the opponents may jam you.

Also, 1♣ can preempt ourselves. Here, if I get a positive response in a minor, we might find our spade fit at too high a level.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 13:46

pclayton, on Oct 28 2006, 02:41 PM, said:

Also, 1♣ can preempt ourselves. Here, if I get a positive response in a minor, we might find our spade fit at too high a level.

How is that? You bid 2H over partners minor, and he bids 2S if he has 4 spades. I would understand this concern more if we had 6 spades and 4 hearts.

I would also open 1H.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 14:43

Easy 1♥ for me. (For me 1♦ showing hearts.) I would bid 2♥ over 1NT, as partner will have denied as many as 4 spades and 3 hearts.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 14:54

1♥--not even close for me.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 18:59

1H and then 3H over anything except 1S

There's no point in reversing, partner will never take me for 6.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 19:53

1C: must have a top (controls+losers) for 1M. This 5 loser 6 controls is too good. I want partner to know after 1M, his 3 controls is never a slam!
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Posted 2006-October-28, 22:59

1H followed by 2S. The suit is not good enough for 3H over a 1NT response.
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Posted 2006-October-28, 23:34

1♥ playing standard Precision.

Richard et all,

Playing Moscito should this hand be opened 1♦ (showing ♥)? Seems a little heavy, but might be the practical bid...
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Posted 2006-October-29, 00:12

1♥. Opening 1♣ leaves to rebid issues if either opps starts bidding minors to the hilt. The controls are right, but you can show this hand far easier naturally.
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Posted 2006-October-29, 06:41

akhare, on Oct 29 2006, 06:34 AM, said:

1♥ playing standard Precision.

Richard et all,

Playing Moscito should this hand be opened 1♦ (showing ♥)? Seems a little heavy, but might be the practical bid...

MOSCITO uses 1♣ as 15+HCP, and I don't see any reason to downgrade because you have lots of AKQ points. Just respect your HCP ranges as good as possible, so open 1♣ in MOSCITO. This hand may be one of those where it goes wrong...
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Posted 2006-October-29, 06:49

As Free notes, MOSCITO's strong club opening is a bit lighter than Precision's. Also, MOSCITO's auction termination system makes it much more problematic to open 1♥. Assume for the moment, that partner has a good hand and start's a relay sequence.

RR will (eventually) bid 3♥ to show a 4-6-2-1 shape shape. Now look waht happens if Relay Asker bids 3♠ asking for slam points: Base slam points is 5 (because of the 6-4 shape). You have 10 slam points you'll zoom all the way up to 4NT before you even start placing controls.

I'd open this with a strong club.
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Posted 2006-October-31, 01:54

Hi All,

Fairly obvious 1♥ Opener this, in my view. This kind of does not handle very easily if you open 1♣ whereas opening a Heart and reversing into Spades describes it adequately enough.

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