[helene_t]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     1♥    Dbl
 RDbl  Pass  Pass  1NT
 Pass  Pass  2♣    Dbl
 RDbl  2♦    Pass  Pass
 Dbl   Pass  Pass  Pass
 

This took place in an indy. What do u think about the bidding?

[jillybean]

Hi Helene,

I think South could have overcalled 1nt rather than the double.
Having doubled and then bid 1nt south does not have another bid - pass and leave it up to partner.

Garbage ♥'s for opening but what else can you do, I wouldnt pass with a 2nd bid available in ♣

jb

[Echognome]

Well, let's see. South has a clear 1NT at their first turn.

West's redouble is really pushy. 1♠ would have been my choice, but XX seemed to work well.

North has no where to go over XX. East has no reason to pull and South's pull to 1NT seems reasonable, albeit the bid that should have been made at the first turn.

Not sure why East pulled 1NT to 2♣. West's non-double of 1NT should show that they were dead minimum for the XX. So I don't see why East should try 2♣. Just try to take some 100s on defense or double if you feel like gambling.

South's double of 2♣ is misguided. A974 just isn't a good trump stack. South has now bid three times on a hand that could have been expressed with one bid.

North's pull of 2♣X is also misguided. If you were going to run to 2♦, you should have done it over 1♥XX. Since they didn't and their partner took a flyer with doubling 2♣, then they should just stick it out. Jx is actually reasonable defense opposite what should be a penalty double.

Basically, I think West was pushy with XX, East's bid of 2♣ strange, but otherwise EW's bidding was alright.

South bid like a madman. North tried to get out, but should just take their medicine defending 2♣X.

[paulg]

Typical I'm afraid. East's first bid and West's final double seem okay, but every other call in-between is dubious in my opinion.

Short indy tourneys often generate extreme actions that ensure one pair has a good result. I believe this is a feature, rather than an inditement, of them.

I guess you are now going to tell me that these were 'stars'? Or were they just 'experts'

Paul

[mikeh]

East's opening bid is good.

S's double is silly. Bid 1N.

West's redouble is very bad. He shows 10+ in standard methods, and he has 8. Worse, he has a void in partner's suit: he really does not want to hear partner bid ♥s again, and he is more likely to rebid ♥ opposite a redouble than a pass.

Pass may seem a bit weird, but the choices are pass or 1♠. I'd bid 1♠, but passing may well work out best. Redouble is silly.

North has a problem. Many pairs play that the pass shows a willingness to defend, but I don't think this hand is that good defensively. Anyway, in an indy, one cannot assume partner is on the same wavelength. So pass or bid 2♦: neither can be criticized.

East's pass is routine: he isn't expecting a void over there.

S's 1N is idiotic: it announces 19+: else he would have overcalled 1N.

West's pass is unavoidable, altho it compounds the error of the redouble. It has to be forcing. We have shown 10+ hcp and partner opened and dummy will be tabling a zero count. No way are they allowed to play 1N on this sequence.

North is off the hook for now, altho he surely suspects that NS should be playing in ♥s. In an indy, it is too risky to bid 2♥.

East's 2♣ is reasonable: he can't stand a ♥ lead against 1N doubled, and partner made a forcing pass.

S's double is the third straight idiotic bid... and they are getting worse each time.

West's pass of 2♣ is his best call so far.

Now N, who previously had been free from serious criticism, made a blunder. There is no way he should bid 2♦: he should pass....or bid 2♥.Which choice he makes depends on his assessment of who has made what mistakes: his hand tells him that at least one player has made at least one serious error.

Having bid 2♦, and got doubled, North made his second blunder by not running to 2♥.

All in all, a dismal performance by everyone, except East who did nothing wrong.

[HeartA]

The only bid I agree with is 1H opening.

I would overcall 1N as South.
I would simply bid 1S over South's dbl as West.
South doesn't have the strength to dbl AND then 1NT.
I don't agree with East's 2C (why didn't he bid it over pd's xx)?
South doesn't have the right (if I can say so) to dbl 2C again.
I wouldn't pull to 2D as North, D suit is too weak (and need 5th).

[FrancesHinden]

What mikeh said.
But I would put it rather stronger on the first round: I think North should have bid 2D over the redouble.

[helene_t]

OK, I'll admit I was West on this auction and I shouldn't have redoubled 1♥. My thoughts were that my void in hearts and the vulnerability made me want to defend.

Actually, I didn't realize that the whole auction was a ridicolous as you say. Even South's double of 2♣ (probably the worst bid in the auction) could, I thought, be justified on the theory that partner's intial pass must show some length in both minors as he could otherwise bid something.

Two issues that I'm unsure about:
- Here in the Netherlands, "standard" theory dictates that East's pass followed by 2♣ shows a better hand than a direct 2♣. But nobody mentions that. Is this a Dutch perculiarity, or doesn't it apply here?
- I thought South's 1NT should show 4-4 minors. Why would he want to show 18-20 bal in this auction? With such a hand he could just bid his longest suit, I would say.

[paulg]

helene_t, on Oct 31 2006, 08:26 AM, said:

Two issues that I'm unsure about:
- Here in the Netherlands, "standard" theory dictates that East's pass followed by 2♣ shows a better hand than a direct 2♣. But nobody mentions that. Is this a Dutch perculiarity, or doesn't it apply here?

This is standard and would generally apply here. But I think pass is reasonable as East does have good defensive values and would co-operate with most penalty attempts.

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- I thought South's 1NT should show 4-4 minors. Why would he want to show 18-20 bal in this auction? With such a hand he could just bid his longest suit, I would say.

I cannot recall coming across a 1NT bid in this auction, but if South did hold a strong 3334 hand then 1NT is likely to be the best spot.

Paul