[jocdelevat]

Dealer: South Vul: NS Scoring: MP

♠ A5 ♥ ♦ AKQ76542 ♣ A83

West North East South

 -     -     -     1♦
 Pass  1♠    Pass  5♦
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


Hi all

I open 1d because this hand didn't fit the description of 3nt gambling then pard response 1s and I answer 5d didn't know whats next.

questions:
what you open with this hand?
what you bid after pard response 1s to your 1d openning?

thank you all in advance for your advice
best regards
jocdelevat

[mike777]

Warning may not be standard.

I am sure you will get a lot of choices here. I prefer strong 2clubs and then bidding D. I play that a strong 2 bid in a minor promises 10 tricks. We may still miss slam though.

If partner responds 2h, denying any random aces or kings I will settle for 5D. If he starts with 2D then I will fool around for a while.

[flytoox]

2C then jump to 4D, asking pd to show his control, if any.

[HeartA]

flytoox, on Oct 26 2006, 11:36 PM, said:

2C then jump to 4D, asking pd to show his control, if any.

ditto.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

opening 1D is fine, and so is to a certain degree 2C.
A 2C opener is fine, as long as you had some add.
discussions about the follow ups after a 2C, other
than 2D waiting rest natural.

After a 1D bid, one possible bid besides 5D, which is fine
as well, would be 3C, which is game forcing and will give
you the chance to hear more from partner.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hotShot]

You don't want to play NT with this hand and you want to bid at least to the full game.

The simplest way to do that is opening 2♣. Without better agreements partner will answer 2♦ and you can show your strong 1-suited hand bidding 3♦ now.
You will have plenty of time to get information about distribution and controls from partner.

[whereagles]

I like

2♣ 2♦
4♦

Pard should now bid an A or K if he has one.

If you start instead...

1♦ 1♠

you can now try 4♦. But if you're not sure pard will understand this, it's better to bid 5♦ as you did, or perhaps take a chance and bid 3♦ only. This keeps bidding low, but risks pard passing.

[hrothgar]

I'd open 1♦, and follow with 3♣

[mikeh]

1stly, I wouldn't get too worked up about the particular hand: you may play 30 years without seeing this kind of hand again: it is a true freak.

I tend to open these hands 1♦ but this one is very close to a 2♣ opener, simply because you have 10 winners and almost no hope of convincing partner what you hold no matter what you open. That takes it out of the big 6-4 or 7-4 hands, where you have some chance of describing your hand after a 1-level opening.

So 2♣ followed by 3♦ works for me, as my second choice. I wouldn't bid 4♦ after opening 2♣: we don't have the bidding space over 4♦.

My first choice is 1♦ followed by 3♣: a gf jumpshift. I can always correct any ♣ contract to ♦, so I don't need to worry that partner will get carried away. In fact, I hope he does: if he holds KQxxx in ♣, for example, I'll be very happy in some large number of ♦s.

[jocdelevat]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Pass  1♠
 Pass  5♦    Pass  Pass
 Pass  

This was the board. I posted because my partner left tourney table after this hand. Unfortunately I avoid to open 2c with a long suit or 9 tricks(old style) however it seems to work well.

Thanks again

jocdelevat

[barmar]

One problem with opening hands like this with 2♣ is that you'll usually end up wrong-siding the eventual ♦ contract. It's not too big a deal with this specific hand, since your side suits have Aces. But in our district NAP tourney a couple of weeks ago my partner had a big hand with diamonds, but one of the side suits was Kx. She opened 2♣, I responded 2♦ waiting, and I think we eventually ended up 6♦. The funny thing was that everyone forgot that I should be declarer -- we didn't realize until the hand was over that the lead came from the wrong opponent, so her King was protected. I don't remember any more whether that Ace was onside or offside, though.

[awm]

I'd open 2♣ on this hand. I've found that opening 2♣ on strong one-suiters works well. It's the two suited hands (especially if a minor suit is longest) where you are often better off to open one. This is for three reasons, first because two suiters (or three suiters) take more space to accurately describe, second because two suiters don't guarantee a fit (and are a lot weaker if the hand's a real misfit), and third because with a one-suited hand after 1X-response you often have to either lie or jump to a ridiculous level to let partner know what you hold (whereas with a two-suiter it's easy to reverse or jump shift).

I expect to make game easily opposite as little as:

xxxx
QJxxx
x
xxx

Heck this hand might make game:

xx
xxxxxx
xx
xxx

I don't expect partner to bid over 1♦ with stuff like this (maybe because I don't partner with Justin, looking at another thread )

One of the concerns with a 2♣ opening is that partner will force to game with a king. Beginners often think "if there's a hand with just a king where game makes, I better bid 2♣ so we don't miss it" but you also have to take into account the hands where responder has the "wrong king" and you end up in a bad game. But here, if partner has the ♥K 3NT will be easy and with any other king 5♦ will be excellent.

As for the risk that partner declares an eventual diamond contract... I have a solid suit and ace-empty in two side suits. I want partner to declare. "Wrong-side" the diamonds?? Excellent.

[keylime]

I liked the 1D, and the 5D rebid. I don't think that your pard gave you a fair shake on this one.

If you open 2C (which I probably will in real life - this is one of the rare times I don't mind wrongsiding a contract because this is a hand that is nearly perfect for that task) then pard without any detailed mechanisms available is going to have a tricky time knowing that his heart fragment is not as bad as they think. Imagine the auction going...:

2C - 2D
3D - 3S
4D -

...and pard looking at his holdings wondering if the p'ship has reached the limit of the hand.

I don't subscribe to the 2C-4D rebid. It buries a lot of hands where 6M might be a viable spot.

[HeartA]

keylime, on Oct 27 2006, 06:13 PM, said:

I don't subscribe to the 2C-4D rebid. It buries a lot of hands where 6M might be a viable spot.

There is no free lunch, same for every bidding you choose. For this (kind of) hand, the most important message I want to tell my pd is, I have a self sufficient (D) suit and want him to show side controls. There is a small chance we miss a better contract, but I will live with it.

[hrothgar]

keylime, on Oct 28 2006, 02:13 AM, said:

I liked the 1D, and the 5D rebid. I don't think that your pard gave you a fair shake on this one.

Would you chose the the same bid with

♠
♥ A5
♦ AKQ76542
♣ A83

???

How about

♠ A8
♥ A52
♦ AKQ76542
♣

How the hell is partner supposed to make an intelligent decision about his hand if your rebid is at the 5 level?

This isn't the right hand for blasting

[keylime]

If I knew that pard would not pass me at 3D after I jump rebid, of course I would not bid this way.

However, I'm playing with an unknown pard. I'm not going to jump-shift 3C (believe or not, some do not play this as G/F; I don't) and lie about my length. I'm not going to rebid 3NT on a void heart fragment. What other bid can I make one I start with 1♦ for my opener?

The other two hands I bid the exact same way with an unknown pard. If I held another honor card that was working I'd open 1♦ or 2♣ and after I'm hearing some sort of call from pard might trot out six diamonds.

There is a distinct difference between blasting, and bidding what I think I can make. As mentioned, I think the partner gave the opener the short end of the stick. Without any agreements or scientific means to get to the right strain, I can't see how the opener is ever going to get to slam when 1♦ is opened.