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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2006-October-16, 00:24

KGR posted a hand v-QJTxx-x-QJTxxxx, that reminded me one hand i played at local club.
Scoring: IMP

First seat, non-vul; Will you pass or bid something?
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Posted 2006-October-16, 01:24

Pass
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Posted 2006-October-16, 01:32

Bid.
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Posted 2006-October-16, 01:36

bid a pass ^_^
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Posted 2006-October-16, 03:58

cnszsun, on Oct 16 2006, 01:24 AM, said:

KGR posted a hand v-QJTxx-x-QJTxxxx, that reminded me one hand i played at local club.
Scoring: IMP

First seat, non-vul; Will you pass or bid something?

The only reason to pass is your 4crd ♥, but being first hand and not vulnerable at IMPs I would open 3♣.

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Posted 2006-October-16, 04:31

3C or 4C.

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Posted 2006-October-16, 05:50

4♣.

I'd rather bid 5♣ than 3♣.
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Posted 2006-October-16, 11:47

3C. 4C and 3C are close, but my suit is so bad I'll go for 3C... pass is not an option to me with this hand. Forget about hearts.
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Posted 2006-October-16, 12:08

3♣ or 4♣; my style is the latter since I'm 7-4.
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Posted 2006-October-16, 13:14

cnszsun, on Oct 16 2006, 01:24 AM, said:

KGR posted a hand v-QJTxx-x-QJTxxxx, that reminded me one hand i played at local club.
Scoring: IMP

First seat, non-vul; Will you pass or bid something?

5 clubs.
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Posted 2006-October-16, 18:36

Our hand:

Scoring: IMP

3♣-3♠
4♣-4♦
4♠-6♣


We play 2/1 and not much agreements.
I opened 3♣, after hearing partner's 3♠ then 4♦, i can't be sure what 4♦ bid means, two suited or some cuebid? I made a imaginative bid 4♠ (at the table, i thought this may be the only makable game if my partner is one suited hand). My partner found his hand upgraded after my 4♠, then jump to 6♣.
I made 5♣ at last.
What will you do after my partner's 4♦? (assuming you don't know his hand, he said later he made a tactical bid)
Is my 4♠ so fault, or i should bid 5♣ so obviously?
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Posted 2006-October-16, 18:59

4 clubs, 3 clubs is a better suit for me
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Posted 2006-October-17, 00:52

I had passed the hand, I nver have a four card major in a preempt.

And after 3 Club 3 Spade, I had rebid 4 Heart. PD will then hopefully end the bidding in 5 Club.
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Posted 2006-October-17, 03:38

I stopped worrying of side 4 card majors long ago. 3♣.
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Posted 2006-October-17, 18:26

I would bid 5♣ after 4♦. whatever 4♦ is, South has no extra(control or support) to introduce.
However ,If I were North I would pass 4♠ ,for both hands have no control in ♦.
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Posted 2006-October-17, 20:55

Surely after the 3S response to 3C, the better rebid is 3NT (rather than 4C). No one suggests that as the pre-empting hand you promise stoppers in unbid suits, and whatever you do it tends to deny S support (else cue bid red - which I would interpret 4H to be- or raise to 4S).

Once responder effectively knows that there is no S support he needs at least CKxxxxxx and a D control for slam. Those odds have slimmed with the short S (2 short suits is slight). The odds against effectively 1-4-1-7 precisely are high - so now you are banking on DA - or the slam being at best 50% if he holds DK (depending on your style eg DKQ possible?).

So - after 3C-3S
3NT responder's obvious bid is 5C with no reason to investigate for "perfection" ...
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Posted 2006-October-17, 21:36

I lean toward opening 3♣. My side 4 card major is headed by the Q and I am void in the other major. We might miss a 44 ♥ fit, or get buried with ♣ offside sitting over me, but I'll take that chance.

I won't open 4♣ here as my ♣ don't look good enough and it will be really hard to find ♥ if that is where we belong.

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