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Posted 2006-October-11, 08:01
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Posted 2006-October-11, 08:18
double! I'm not going to have another bid, we can play in 2♥, 2♦, 1nt
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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Posted 2006-October-11, 08:41
Did this hand come from real life or from an article describing the classic hand for a negative double?
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Posted 2006-October-11, 09:13
neg. X
If you require more strength to make
a neg. X, which is fine, than you have
to Pass.
With regards
Marlowe
If you require more strength to make
a neg. X, which is fine, than you have
to Pass.
With regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2006-October-11, 09:15
EricK, on Oct 11 2006, 07:41 AM, said:
Did this hand come from real life or from an article describing the classic hand for a negative double?
Is this some of that Aussy humor?
“It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.”
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
Bridge should be fun!
SHAPE!
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." (MH)
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Posted 2006-October-11, 15:13
dbl, wtp?
Senshu
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Posted 2006-October-11, 22:10
jillybean2, on Oct 11 2006, 03:15 PM, said:
EricK, on Oct 11 2006, 07:41 AM, said:
Did this hand come from real life or from an article describing the classic hand for a negative double?
Is this some of that Aussy humor?
If it was humour then it was English humour.
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Posted 2006-October-11, 22:20
ok... tell your partner to come look.... you are right double is the right bid. Feel better :-)
--Ben--
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Posted 2006-October-12, 01:58
Good idea, Ben...unfortunately, the blame is all mine 
I thought a NegX showed a bit more than this, although this a very good 7-count. I tend towards restraint opposite a 3rd seat opening. Yes, that's my vote all on its own.
Thanks for taking part, humiliating to me as it is.
Regards,
Justin.
I thought a NegX showed a bit more than this, although this a very good 7-count. I tend towards restraint opposite a 3rd seat opening. Yes, that's my vote all on its own.
Thanks for taking part, humiliating to me as it is.
Regards,
Justin.
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Posted 2006-October-12, 06:23
Hi Justin,
I think you're right that negative doubles do usually show more than this, but then the shape isn't usually this perfect, nor the location of the values. As always in bridge, it's a balancing act.
You mention wanting to be careful opposite a 3rd seat opening; while this is worth bearing in mind in general it looks very likely that you have a fit somewhere here, so parnter's lack of values shouldn't make bidding too dangerous. And as you're a passed hand you're limited above, which in fact means that you can stretch the lower end of the double slightly without damaging partner.
If I were an unpassed hand I'd still double if you removed the ♥T or turned the ♥Q into the ♥J, but not both of these things. As a passed hand I'd double even with both of these, but no worse.
Owen (whose judgement isn't all that good either)
I think you're right that negative doubles do usually show more than this, but then the shape isn't usually this perfect, nor the location of the values. As always in bridge, it's a balancing act.
You mention wanting to be careful opposite a 3rd seat opening; while this is worth bearing in mind in general it looks very likely that you have a fit somewhere here, so parnter's lack of values shouldn't make bidding too dangerous. And as you're a passed hand you're limited above, which in fact means that you can stretch the lower end of the double slightly without damaging partner.
If I were an unpassed hand I'd still double if you removed the ♥T or turned the ♥Q into the ♥J, but not both of these things. As a passed hand I'd double even with both of these, but no worse.
Owen (whose judgement isn't all that good either)
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Posted 2006-October-12, 08:04
Mr. Dodgy, on Oct 12 2006, 12:01 AM, said:
Scoring: IMP
P-P-1♦-1♠
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P-P-1♦-1♠
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simple SA
X (neg) WTP?? because
I have both the unbid suits AND (more important) I am a passed hand
IF Partner has a really good hand (game forcing opposite a hand with ♥ and ♣ [and probably 8-9points for the negX] ) he can let me know with his next bid
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Posted 2006-October-12, 08:15
A neg X that will force partner to bid at the two level, normally should contain 8-10 hcp.
While the hand is "slightly" light on its values, it has some other things going in its favor.
1) it has both of the other suits
2) all of its hcp are contained within the two suits
3) one of the suits is even 5 cards
4) two doubletons, one of which is in the opponents suit.
5) You're already a passed hand; partner cant be expecting a lot.
If you have the opportunity to show your approximate values and shape in one bid, then do so. It does not have to be "perfect".....and this hand is about as close to perfect as you can get.
While the hand is "slightly" light on its values, it has some other things going in its favor.
1) it has both of the other suits
2) all of its hcp are contained within the two suits
3) one of the suits is even 5 cards
4) two doubletons, one of which is in the opponents suit.
5) You're already a passed hand; partner cant be expecting a lot.
If you have the opportunity to show your approximate values and shape in one bid, then do so. It does not have to be "perfect".....and this hand is about as close to perfect as you can get.
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2006-October-12, 08:31
Two quick comments.
i) This negative double does not force partner to bid at the 2-level; he can bid 1NT (and will quite frequently do so). The auction 1D (2C) x needs more values because partner may have to rebid 2NT on a weak NT.
ii) Being a passed hand shouldn't change the lower limit of the range for a negative double, as a minimum it should show much the same.
i) This negative double does not force partner to bid at the 2-level; he can bid 1NT (and will quite frequently do so). The auction 1D (2C) x needs more values because partner may have to rebid 2NT on a weak NT.
ii) Being a passed hand shouldn't change the lower limit of the range for a negative double, as a minimum it should show much the same.
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