[allpass]

Scoring: IMP

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RHO and I both pass, LHO opens 1♣ in 3rd seat and partner overcalls a natural (15-18) 1NT.

I decided to pass and avoid a big number at vul IMPs, but was sorely tempted to respond 2♣.

TIA

[P_Marlowe]

If I play garbage stayman, which I dont,
i would bid 2C, else why did I have agreed
to play it?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mikeh]

I would pass.

There will be hands on which a 4-4 major will make 2 more tricks than will 1N, but there will not be that many of them. Plus partner will usually choose to double, opposite a passed hand, with, say, 4=4 in the majors, thus slightly diminishing the chances of a fit. And maybe there is a ♣ ruff or two lurking out there, given that we had a 3rd seat 1♣ opening on what sounds like a weak suit.. partner has a stopper, so he claims, and we hold QJx.

Finally, there is a real risk that we will be in a very poor 2♦ contract.

[FrancesHinden]

I would pass opposite an opening 1NT rather than use Garbage Stayman, although I'd be open to argument about it.

Opposite a 1NT overcall of a 1C opening I agree with mikeh: it is clear to pass, as the chances of a fit are much lower.

I think it is marginal whether it is right to bid 2C and redouble if RHO doubles the 1NT overcall or to stick it out in 1NT doubled/allow partner to pull to 2C, which could be our fit.

[Gerben42]

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Finally, there is a real risk that we will be in a very poor 2♦ contract.

With only 3♦ if you decide to bid 2♣ you have to bid 2♥ over 2♦ to secure a 4 - 3 fit. However with the 1♣ opener chances are that partner has some ♣ is increased, so I pass.

[Free]

Clear pass imo: balanced, 3hcp, pottential tricks in NT. Why would I risk getting to a 4-3 fit which has no play?

[1eyedjack]

Free, on Oct 4 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

Clear pass imo: balanced, 3hcp, pottential tricks in NT.  Why would I risk getting to a 4-3 fit which has no play? 

Because you risk missing a 4-4 or 5-4 or 5-3 fit when 1N has no play, perhaps?

It is a lottery. Either move could be right. I feel a Bridgebrowser poll coming on.

Personally I pass.

Incidentally, for those who bid, do you pass a 2D rebid by opener? It would seem clear that you have to pass if to convert to 2H is strictly to play. But suppose that opener is expected to convert to 2S with 3 Spades and 2 Hearts. What is the probability of your improving the contract (by removing 2D)? Bear in mind that you could be in a 3-2 Diamond fit if opener is 3-3-2-5. Bidding 2H (almost) guarantees that you play in a 7 card fit (perhaps opener could be 2-2 in the majors?) and ensures that you don't play in a 5 card fit in Diamonds, but you could have an 8 (9?) card fit in Diamonds.

[FrancesHinden]

1eyedjack, on Oct 4 2006, 09:55 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 4 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

Clear pass imo: balanced, 3hcp, pottential tricks in NT.  Why would I risk getting to a 4-3 fit which has no play? 

Because you risk missing a 4-4 or 5-4 or 5-3 fit when 1N has no play, perhaps?

If partner has a 5 card major (or a 6/card diamond suit) and bids 1NT over a 1C overcall, I need a new partner.

[HeartA]

I pass.

[jdeegan]

I think you made a wise pass and for the right reason. "No double, no trouble" and "scared bridge is bad bridge".

For another thing, your hand is not all that bad, and one NT can be a hard contract to defend. Finally, your tolerance for diamonds is not good enough imo.

[1eyedjack]

FrancesHinden, on Oct 4 2006, 10:06 PM, said:

1eyedjack, on Oct 4 2006, 09:55 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 4 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

Clear pass imo: balanced, 3hcp, pottential tricks in NT.  Why would I risk getting to a 4-3 fit which has no play? 

Because you risk missing a 4-4 or 5-4 or 5-3 fit when 1N has no play, perhaps?

If partner has a 5 card major (or a 6/card diamond suit) and bids 1NT over a 1C overcall, I need a new partner.

Oops, I missed the 1C. Agree that the 5 card major is out of the picture. But a 6 card Diamond suit? Hmm. Not sure I like the alternatives of 1D or double then D, if the hand otherwise qualifies for 1N

[whereagles]

My feeling tells me PASS is the right bid...

All you need to make is pard to have a diamond honor and a few quick tricks. Your majors will act as "stoppers"

[sceptic]

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Finally, there is a real risk that we will be in a very poor 2♦ contract.

I would pass this hand because of the crap diamonds, BUT, if you did bid with this hand, and over 2 diamonds say you bid 2 hearts as a weak scamble for either major

why is that not worth a risk if you are inclined to play Garbage stayman or as some call it ( just a passable bid that does not want to play in NT and is not garbage at all) ?

[1eyedjack]

1eyedjack, on Oct 5 2006, 08:38 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Oct 4 2006, 10:06 PM, said:

1eyedjack, on Oct 4 2006, 09:55 PM, said:

Free, on Oct 4 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

Clear pass imo: balanced, 3hcp, pottential tricks in NT.  Why would I risk getting to a 4-3 fit which has no play? 

Because you risk missing a 4-4 or 5-4 or 5-3 fit when 1N has no play, perhaps?

If partner has a 5 card major (or a 6/card diamond suit) and bids 1NT over a 1C overcall, I need a new partner.

Oops, I missed the 1C. Agree that the 5 card major is out of the picture. But a 6 card Diamond suit? Hmm. Not sure I like the alternatives of 1D or double then D, if the hand otherwise qualifies for 1N

The more I think about it, the less persuaded I am that a 1NT overcall should deny a 5 card major any more than it should in an opening bid.

If I held
S:AJ
H:Axxxx
D:Jxx
C:AQT
and RHO opened 1C, then I greatly prefer a 1NT overcall to either a 1H overcall or an initial double. Certainly when I think of all the things that partners do that might justify looking for another partner, overcalling 1N on this hand hardly ranks, even if you do disagree with the bid.

[Apollo81]

allpass, on Oct 4 2006, 12:55 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

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RHO and I both pass, LHO opens 1♣ in 3rd seat and partner overcalls a natural (15-18) 1NT.

I decided to pass and avoid a big number at vul IMPs, but was sorely tempted to respond 2♣.

TIA

Pass. Not close.

-Noble