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IMPS - SAYC
pard opens 1♦
RHO Doubles for take out

whats your bid, holding
♠ Q 9 5 4 3
♥ void
♦ Q 6 4 2
♣ x x x x

[jocdelevat]

2D In my opinion is the best.
1S I think makes easy for LHO to guess his p suits
pass let LHO to bid his best suit at low level

best regards
jocdelevat

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1S, I have spades, I have a 5 card suit,
no reason to hide the spade suit.

I will bid diamonds the next round as
cheaply as possble and compete upto 3D.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jocdelevat, on Oct 5 2006, 07:38 AM, said:

2D In my opinion is the best.
1S I think makes easy for LHO to guess his p suits
pass let LHO to bid his best suit at low level

best regards
jocdelevat

And you really think, 2D will stop the
opponents from bidding 2H?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[david_c]

I can live with 1♠, but I much prefer to show support immediately with a weak hand. This hand is an automatic 3♦ bid for me.

[helene_t]

2♦ is silly. Either 1♠, or enough ♦s to have a reasonable chance of keeping LHO out of the auction or giving him a difficult choice.

I voted 1♠ but I might bid 4♦ at favorable.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

just another remark, the treatment of inv. minors I prefer is,
that inv. minors are off in case the auction got competitiv.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Echognome]

1♠ and it's not even close. Are all of you diamond bidders playing SAYC where 1♦ can be a 3 card suit? I can see the merits of 3♦ in Acol, but certainly not here.

[david_c]

Echognome, on Oct 5 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

1♠ and it's not even close.  Are all of you diamond bidders playing SAYC where 1♦ can be a 3 card suit?

Yep. Obviously the odds are slightly less favourable in SAYC than if 1♦ promised four cards, but the existence of this one particular hand type is not enough to make me want to change my bid.

[jillybean]

1♠ why not with 5♠'s and ♥ void?
I'd bid ♦ next if I have to.

[pclayton]

1♠ but its close. The heart void makes 1♠ more appealing in spite of us holding just 2 quacks.

Change my hand to: Qxxxx, xx, Qxxx, xx and 2♦ has more going for it.

[Echognome]

david_c, on Oct 5 2006, 04:00 PM, said:

Echognome, on Oct 5 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

1♠ and it's not even close.  Are all of you diamond bidders playing SAYC where 1♦ can be a 3 card suit?

Yep. Obviously the odds are slightly less favourable in SAYC than if 1♦ promised four cards, but the existence of this one particular hand type is not enough to make me want to change my bid.

This ONE hand type is ANY weak NT hand with either 4 diamonds, or with 3-2 or with some people any weak NT hand where diamonds are better than clubs (e.g. 4333). So I would guess it's accounting for at least 40% of the openings. Opposite a weak NT are we interested in jumping around in diamonds or bidding our spades? To me that makes it clear.

[jocdelevat]

My level is beginner-intermediate and I play basic SAYC.
Im confuse here and I do not understand the 1s bid.
1. is IMPS tourney no matchpoints to bid agressive and we are in a competitive auction.
2. Our hand has 4 points plus distribution will be 9 or 7. Our 5 card suit is very poor.
3. I see more chances for my pard to have hearts and the doubler to have spades and if my pard bid 1nt after 1s he will be in a sandwich position. What my pard can bid after 1s?
4. 2d offer he posibbilty to ruff or discard on hearts. It will not stop opps from bidding but the level will be higer with less information and I think my hand will be good for defense on 2 other suits.
5. Please can someone visualize how my pard hand look and doubler hand.
6. Everytime when I bid such weak hand I got criticize with same replay "you should pass with 4 points"

best regards
jocdelevat

[MickyB]

Make it a 0544 and I'm definitely bidding 3♦, but here I'm worried that we should be bidding spades over their hearts; even if we can take a trick more in diamonds than in spades, we may well fail to compete without knowledge of the double fit. Otoh, bidding 1♠ may well leave us not knowing if we have a fit at all, especially if LHO bids a large number of hearts immediately. Maybe there is something to be said for an initial 2♦ bid, followed up with a spade bid!

[pclayton]

jocdelevat, on Oct 5 2006, 10:09 AM, said:

My level is beginner-intermediate and I play basic SAYC.
Im confuse here and I do not understand the 1s bid.
1. is IMPS tourney no matchpoints to bid agressive and we are in a competitive auction.
2. Our hand has 4 points plus distribution will be 9 or 7
3. I see more chances for my pard to have hearts and the doubler to have spades and if my pard bid 1nt after 1s he will be in a sandwich position. What my pard can bid after 1s?
4. 2d offer he posibbilty to ruff  or discard on hearts. It will not stop opps from bidding but the level will be higer with less information and I think my hand will be good for defense on 2 other suits.
5. Please can someone visualize how my pard hand look and doubler hand.
6. Everytime when I bid such weak hand I got criticize with same replay "you should pass with 4 points"

best regards
jocdelevat

When I started bridge I used to feel the same way, but why couldn't pard have a mundane:

AKxx
xxxx
Axxx
x

?

A hand like this will usually produce game both ways in spades and hearts (or diamonds, and even maybe clubs). It is nearly impossible to find spades if we start with 2♦. LHO will bounce in hearts and our spade fit will be completely buried.

Contrast the attractiveness of a game in spades with my other hand: Qxxxx, xx, Qxxx, x. Certainly, spades is a better part score, but we aren't close to making 10 tricks.

[P_Marlowe]

jocdelevat, on Oct 5 2006, 01:09 PM, said:

My level is beginner-intermediate and I play basic SAYC.
Im confuse here and I do not understand the 1s bid.
1. is IMPS tourney no matchpoints to bid agressive and we are in a competitive auction.
2. Our hand has 4 points plus distribution will be 9 or 7. Our 5 card suit is very poor.
3. I see more chances for my pard to have hearts and the doubler to have spades and if my pard bid 1nt after 1s he will be in a sandwich position. What my pard can bid after 1s?
4. 2d offer he posibbilty to ruff or discard on hearts. It will not stop opps from bidding but the level will be higer with less information and I think my hand will be good for defense on 2 other suits.
5. Please can someone visualize how my pard hand look and doubler hand.
6. Everytime when I bid such weak hand I got criticize with same replay "you should pass with 4 points"

best regards
jocdelevat

1) According to Marshall Miles, playing IMP's, you should fight for
your part score nearly as hard as playing MP's
2) the spade suit is the boss suit
3) this asumes, everyone makes shape oriented take out dbls,
... a hard assumption
4) you can also ruff, if spades are trump
6) ignore the remarks, mark the guys as "result merchants"

With kind regards
Marlowe