[bestguru]

Do you all know of a natural system that uses 2♣ by responder as an artificial GF? I found the idea at the bottom of a bottle of wine, but it seems like it might have some advantages over 2/1. I know I'm not the first to think of it, but I've never seen it.

What do you think of the idea?

[kenrexford]

I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I have long known of a "system" of calls that approximates this.

A "Golady 2♣" call is a 2♣ response to an opening bid, artificially establishing a game force, with transfer rebids by opener. I still use this after minor openings. Golady had some asking bid structure following the transfer. Acceptance of the transfer agreed trumps and was a Top Control Asking Bid. Now, I just use cuebidding if the transfer is accepted.

Coupled with Golady was a bid called a "Toddler 2♦." I cannot remember the exact parameters, but I seem to recall that Toddler was a 2♦ call that was limited and showed 3+ diamonds, with some strange rebid structure.

I learned this is the context of a strange canape system, played by two guys who were just figuring out how to do this. Not all of what they played made sense, but I liked the Golady call, as I mentioned, and have adopted it in a limited fashion.

I think the grand guru of their thinking was someone from Canada -- not sure...

[mike777]

bestguru, on Sep 26 2006, 09:11 PM, said:

Do you all know of a natural system that uses 2♣ by responder as an artificial GF? I found the idea at the bottom of a bottle of wine, but it seems like it might have some advantages over 2/1. I know I'm not the first to think of it, but I've never seen it.

What do you think of the idea?

If this is the biggest or one of the biggest problems in your game, you must be a true world class player. .

I can think of a million more important issues.

[the hog]

Power uses 2C as an artificial game try and 2D as an artificial GF by responder. This works ok, but the relays get a bit high.

[Impact]

I think you'll find that it has been around for a very long time: Danielson's relay Precision circa mid to late 1970's offered 2C GF relay to all main range one-level bids, and 2D as an invitational bid (not natural either).

AFAK those responses (as opposed to continuations) were not ground-breaking at the time (other than perhaps their application to Precision).

[Tola18]

I think this isnt uncommon, and dont need to be especially cerebreal. I know for sure some swedish players do play it, dont think they use it as complicated.

I know also it is in WJ2005, as 2NT jacoby there is inviting. (not "at least inviting" as is common in Sweden).
There are no complicated relay-schemes here no.


Although there are surely those who do complicate thing either it is necessary or not.

[Kaapo]

kenrexford, on Sep 26 2006, 09:39 PM, said:

Coupled with Golady[2♣] was a bid called a "Toddler 2♦."  I cannot remember the exact parameters, but I seem to recall that Toddler was a 2♦ call that was limited and showed 3+ diamonds, with some strange rebid structure.
...
I think the grand guru of their thinking was someone from Canada -- not sure...

You mean this stuff: Colin Ward's Bridge Page.

It has Toddler and Golady along with two slightly lunatic bidding systems; Canadian Club and Valentines.

[kenrexford]

Thanks for the link.

I found the bidding system used by the people who introduced me to Golady also somewhat lunatic. However, from the minds of the insane occasionally come some good ideas...